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 Eupeodes corollae or luniger?
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| ChristianL |
Posted on 19-06-2011 10:34
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Member Location: Germany, Göttingen Posts: 58 Joined: 30.09.10 |
Hi again, unfortunately I don't know how to distinguish between these two species. I tent to E. corollae, but am I right? Found: Germany, Lower Saxony, Göttingen, 250msm, in town on Campanula, 16.06.11 Thanks for comments, Christian ChristianL attached the following image:  [93.6Kb] Edited by ChristianL on 19-06-2011 10:40 |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 20-06-2011 18:44
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 Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 13726 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hi, Christian! Should be better to put Syrphidae questions in the Syrphidae subforum to attract the specialists... ChristianL wrote: I tent to E. corollae, but am I right? I am no expert, but in E. corollae males the yellow markings are connected in the middle. So this is a different species. Not sure, whether E. luniger or another. Better wait for the experts. Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 20-06-2011 18:57
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 Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3890 Joined: 28.07.07 |
In E. corollae the yellow markings reach the tergite margins, in E. luniger they don't. It is not clearly seen here, but I tend to E. luniger. |
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-06-2011 19:06
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 Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I think this could be E. lapponicus, strongly bent R4+5 vein and there doesn't appear to be any yellow at the sides of T5. Janet http://cubits.org... |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 20-06-2011 19:29
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Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3890 Joined: 28.07.07 |
That's right - the "ass" ist too black for E. luniger! There is another quite similar species, E. bucculatus, but it should have "tergite 5 with black spot at middle but lateral margins of tergite whole pale" and a dark oral margin that is, however, not seen here. So E. lapponicus sounds quite good. The pictures of Wolfgang Rutkies (http://www.rutkie...ister.html) have narrower yellow markings, but I do not know the range of variability.
Edited by Sundew on 20-06-2011 19:29 |
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-06-2011 19:51
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I think spots can vary in shape in any Eupeodes, the feature which should make this E. lapponicus along with black margins on T5 I think is the strongly bent R4+5 vein. I'm not aware of this is any other Eupeodes species.
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| ChristianL |
Posted on 20-06-2011 22:25
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Member Location: Germany, Göttingen Posts: 58 Joined: 30.09.10 |
Hello Juergen, Sundew and blowave, thanks a lot for trying to identify my fly. Here I have another pic of the same specimen more from behind. Maybe it helps. But E. lapponicus sounds good for me :-) Cheers, Christian ChristianL attached the following image:  [99.45Kb] Edited by ChristianL on 20-06-2011 22:27 |
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| ChristianL |
Posted on 20-06-2011 22:35
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Member Location: Germany, Göttingen Posts: 58 Joined: 30.09.10 |
In addition to this male some days earlier (03.06.11) I got a female, that I IDed as E. luniger. But maybe its the same species as the male?
ChristianL attached the following image:  [98.03Kb] |
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| ChristianL |
Posted on 20-06-2011 22:38
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Member Location: Germany, Göttingen Posts: 58 Joined: 30.09.10 |
2. pic
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| blowave |
Posted on 20-06-2011 22:48
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Hi Christian, The female is E. luniger, it has yellow at the sides of T5 and the R4+5 vein doesn't have the dramatic curve. I've copied and cropped one of your pics to show where these are.. blowave attached the following image:  [85.5Kb] Edited by blowave on 20-06-2011 22:54 http://cubits.org... |
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| ChristianL |
Posted on 20-06-2011 22:55
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Member Location: Germany, Göttingen Posts: 58 Joined: 30.09.10 |
OK, thanks again for the very fast confirmation of the female. Christian |
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but don't see the image in the post.
