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| Alvesgaspar |
Posted on 27-11-2007 17:43
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 Member Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 573 Joined: 24.08.07 |
I think this is a Sarcophagidae because of the plumose arista and setae in the meron. Which genus could it be? About 12mm body length. Thanks, Joaquim Gaspar Alvesgaspar attached the following image:  [129.49Kb] Edited by Alvesgaspar on 02-12-2007 20:32 |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 27-11-2007 18:47
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 Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5550 Joined: 02.03.05 |
Look at the wing venation. This tells you this fly is not a Sarcophagid. Look for recent Muscid threads you'll find your genus. Gabor Keresztes Japan Wildlife Gallery Carpathian Basin Wildlife Gallery |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 27-11-2007 19:15
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 Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3122 Joined: 19.06.07 |
It's very similar to this fly I phtographed a few days ago http://www.dipter...post_46656 |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 27-11-2007 19:38
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 Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06 |
The fly above is Muscina prolapsa. It is possible that the fly in the other thread is the same and it did cross my mind, but the scutellum is entirely orange in that fly, whereas Muscina just has the tip orange. I think your other fly is probably Mydaea or perhaps Phaonia. Another clue about the fly above is the gentle bend in the M vein. The fly in the other thread does not appear to have this, although the angle is not ideal for being sure. Susan |
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| Alvesgaspar |
Posted on 27-11-2007 19:42
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Member Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 573 Joined: 24.08.07 |
Thank you Xespok, Rui and Susan. I thought I already knew something... |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 27-11-2007 20:09
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Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3122 Joined: 19.06.07 |
Thank you Susan for the explanations. |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 27-11-2007 21:24
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Legs are too pale for M. prolapsa, and even for M. stabulans. Actually, I doubt that it is Muscina. Could we have a dorsal view ? Stephane. |
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| Alvesgaspar |
Posted on 28-11-2007 01:57
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Member Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 573 Joined: 24.08.07 |
I'm afraid not, she flew away when I changed position  |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 28-11-2007 15:21
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Oops  Very true St?phane. So with those legs, what does that leave us with? Phaonia scutellata? (is that bristle on the hind tibia in quite the right position? - looks a bit dorsal and not posterior enough to me, but the angle could be deceptive).
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 29-11-2007 21:15
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
If it is not a Phaonia, I'm lost. I don't think it is a Mydaea with such pronouced shifting pattern on abdomen. No more idea...
Stephane. |
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| Alvesgaspar |
Posted on 02-12-2007 20:18
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Member Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 573 Joined: 24.08.07 |
Stephane Lebrun wrote: If it is not a Phaonia, I'm lost. I don't think it is a Mydaea with such pronouced shifting pattern on abdomen. No more idea... Maybe this new photo can help, I think it is the same species. Sorry, no dorsal view again. Alvesgaspar attached the following image:  [117.07Kb] Edited by Alvesgaspar on 02-12-2007 20:23 |
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| Alvesgaspar |
Posted on 03-12-2007 13:55
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Member Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 573 Joined: 24.08.07 |
I'm not giving up on this one. Today I took two more shots of what I believe it is the same species. The wing venation is clearly seen and it really looks like Phaonia sp. Do we have a confirmation? Joaquim Gaspar Alvesgaspar attached the following image:  [153.27Kb] |
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| Alvesgaspar |
Posted on 03-12-2007 13:58
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Member Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 573 Joined: 24.08.07 |
and another one...
Alvesgaspar attached the following image:  [92.79Kb] |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 03-12-2007 16:29
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
It is definitely a Phaonia. I think the last fly has crash-landed 
Kahis |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 03-12-2007 18:18
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Your're right - it's missing some landing gear 
Susan |
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| Alvesgaspar |
Posted on 03-12-2007 22:45
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Member Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 573 Joined: 24.08.07 |
Wow, I have discovered a new family of "crawling flies" (how do we say this in latin?), I'll be famous Or maybe it is just that the creature ate too much at lunch . Which means we should call it Phaonia scutellata; or maybe just Phaonia sp ? |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 03-12-2007 23:10
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Wow, I have discovered a new family of "crawling flies" (how do we say this in latin?) Phaonia reptans ?  More seriously, I think it is Phaonia valida. Stephane. |
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