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Which Tipulidae? > Tipula rufina
Carnifex
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Posted on 30-12-2019 21:38
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Hi,
can this winter tipulid be IDed? Found end of December in Vienna.

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Edited by Carnifex on 01-01-2020 11:07
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John Carr
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Posted on 30-12-2019 22:12
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Not Limonia. Probably Tipula.
 
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Posted on 31-12-2019 00:13
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Thanks, John - I should've noticed the long palp. Changed the title accordingly
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Hi Lorin, looks like Tipula (Savtshenkia) rufina - but these are reported IV-X in temperate Europe - all year in Mediterranean countries (Oosterbroek).

Regards, Eric
 
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Can Tipula confusa be excluded? That species is also abundant in the cold season. From the photos I've seen, the abdominal markings look different, but I don't know how variable that character is, nor what defines the species IDs in that subgenus.

In the diptera gallery, there is a report of T. rufina from December in GB, so it can be expected here as well - there were only few nights below 0°C this winter so far.
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R. L. Coe Tipulidae, T. rufina: "Sternopleura with a continuous, strongly defined, broad, blackish stripe extending across the pleurae from the neck to a point below root of wing..."
We can see this black stripe on your fotos and confusa misses this stripe (compared by Catalogue of the Craneflies of the World https://ccw.natur...search.php)
 
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Posted on 01-01-2020 23:30
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Dear Eric,
thanks a lot for your help with the ID. That database quite helpful.
Cheers, Lorin

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