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Carnifex	#1 Posted on 30-12-2019 21:38
Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1863 Joined: 23.06.15	Hi, can this winter tipulid be IDed? Found end of December in Vienna. Edited by Carnifex on 14-09-2021 09:28 Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated.


John Carr	#2 Posted on 30-12-2019 22:12
Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 9847 Joined: 22.10.10	Not Limonia. Probably Tipula.


Carnifex	#3 Posted on 31-12-2019 00:13
Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1863 Joined: 23.06.15	Thanks, John - I should've noticed the long palp. Changed the title accordingly Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated.


eklans	#4 Posted on 31-12-2019 11:38
Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 3408 Joined: 11.11.18	Hi Lorin, looks like Tipula (Savtshenkia) rufina - but these are reported IV-X in temperate Europe - all year in Mediterranean countries (Oosterbroek). Regards, Eric


Carnifex	#5 Posted on 31-12-2019 12:12
Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1863 Joined: 23.06.15	Can Tipula confusa be excluded? That species is also abundant in the cold season. From the photos I've seen, the abdominal markings look different, but I don't know how variable that character is, nor what defines the species IDs in that subgenus. In the diptera gallery, there is a report of T. rufina from December in GB, so it can be expected here as well - there were only few nights below 0°C this winter so far. Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated.


eklans	#6 Posted on 31-12-2019 12:39
Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 3408 Joined: 11.11.18	R. L. Coe Tipulidae, T. rufina: "Sternopleura with a continuous, strongly defined, broad, blackish stripe extending across the pleurae from the neck to a point below root of wing..." We can see this black stripe on your fotos and confusa misses this stripe (compared by Catalogue of the Craneflies of the World https://ccw.natur...search.php)


Carnifex	#7 Posted on 01-01-2020 23:30
Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1863 Joined: 23.06.15	Dear Eric, thanks a lot for your help with the ID. That database quite helpful. Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated.