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Muscidae - Polietes?
Paul Bowyer
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 Stuck keying this one out. I keyed to Polietes based on it having haired anepimeron, palpi not spoon shaped, arista plumose, M vein straight. Having said this the calypter does look broad perhaps atypical of Polietes? Any help appreciated.
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 I have used a different key for this and come to Phaonia valida. If anyone thinks this is wrong I would welcome the feedback
 
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 The anepimeron looks bare. The anepisternum and katepimeron have hairs.
 
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 Thank you John. I shall take another look.
 
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 a close up of tibia 3 to see the strong pd seta necessary
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 Here is tibia 3 looking at the anterodorsal surface. The only pd seta I can see is the longer near apical one along the top edge in this view.
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 ok
I will also need a close up of the wing, I suspect the m-vein is curving upwards
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 Here is the wing.
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 OK
next I need a close up of the antennae to see colour and arista

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 Here is the antennae
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 ok
is it possible to put something white behind the arista so that I can see the hairs
and to make this quick I also need
close up of tibia 2 to see p setae
close up of pulvilli on legs 1 and 2
close up of eyes to see eye hairs (side view best)
Close up of notopleura to see n setae and if there are hairs around them

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 Here's another photo of the arista
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 A photo of the eye hairs
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 A posterior view showing t2 on the right.
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 pulvilli 1
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 Notopleuron area
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 ok
pulvilli large ok, eye hairs long ok, notopleuron hairy ok

It would be useful to see the end of the arista (some white paper behind it would show up the hairs quite well), just out of focus and also if sternite 1 is setulose

I now have 1 species in mind
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