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 Angioneura acerba (conf. Theo Zeegers)
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 21-07-2009 21:18
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 Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Date: 21 july 2009 Beulaker Giethoorn Netherlands When i saw the photo at first, i was thinking at Fanniidae, but it has hairs on the meron and M1 is upcurved,.....so, is it Tachinidae or.... Joke van Erkelens javanerkelens attached the following image:  [125.51Kb] Edited by javanerkelens on 24-07-2009 16:21 |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 21-07-2009 21:19
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Photo 2
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 21-07-2009 22:11
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
If no postscutellum, I can suggest you to search around Eggisops pecchiollii ( an weird idea).
Stephane. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-07-2009 22:16
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
what Stéphane??  Weird name for a calliphorid! |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 21-07-2009 22:25
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
postscutellum is present (little thickend) Joke |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 21-07-2009 22:25
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Yes, I think to a Calliphorid in Melanomyiinae because of the resemblance with female Melanomyia /Morinia, but I no longer think at Eggisops, maybe Angioneura ? Could it be ? Stephane. |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 21-07-2009 22:27
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Ok Joke, so it was really weird. 
Stephane. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-07-2009 22:32
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
with postscutellum things turn even more weird! Costa is very spiny as well. Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 21-07-2009 22:32 |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 21-07-2009 22:33
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
I have looked at some Callip / Tachi...for the postscutellum, but a little difficult to see...looks more like Calliphoridae. Joke Edited by javanerkelens on 21-07-2009 22:34 |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 21-07-2009 22:45
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Upper radial node with setulae (one seta as long as half flagellomere, shorter one before) Joke |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 22-07-2009 08:45
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 Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
It certainly doesn't look like any tachinid I have seen ... but that's not a good guide ... if it has a subscutellum then it becomes very interesting  The subscutellum should be a small, smoothly-rounded bulge under the scutellum. Don't be confused by the way that the thorax on all flies protrudes to where the abdomen attaches. I took some photos that you might find useful here
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 22-07-2009 09:34
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Mostly i don't look for the subscutellum, only for some hairs.. I made some photo's, so i hope this wil bring some light in the darkness... Joke javanerkelens attached the following image:  [95.95Kb] |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 22-07-2009 09:35
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
photo 2
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 22-07-2009 12:39
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
So ..Angioneura sp. could be possible Only A.acerba known from the Netherlands Joke |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 22-07-2009 16:34
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18546 Joined: 21.07.04 |
It is really something special. I understand the suggestion of Angioneura. I see relatively strong apical scutellar bristles, so I'm still in doubt. I would really need to check the postscutellum myself. Joke, would it be possible to send the specimen ? If so, send me a PM for address Theo |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 22-07-2009 17:47
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Done ! Joke |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 24-07-2009 16:10
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18546 Joined: 21.07.04 |
So I'd like to nominate Stephane for the best ID of the year, I've seen the specimen just now and it is indeed, a female of Angioneura acerba. Great find and great pictures, please submit to gallery Theo |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 24-07-2009 16:18
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
SUPER !! Only have to find the male now.. And Theo.....many thanks !!! Joke |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-07-2009 16:23
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Congrats!! In which kind of habitat you found this one? |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 24-07-2009 16:38
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Found on old farmersland, that has been run wild by all sorts of grass and plants....a great place to find all sorts of flies... Joke |
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but don't see the image in the post.