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 Musca autumnalis?, Muscidae
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| Klaas |
Posted on 27-12-2008 12:03
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4 august 2007, The Netherlands Might be Musca sorbens as well, or an other muscid fly? Klaas Klaas attached the following image:  [154.9Kb] |
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| Klaas |
Posted on 27-12-2008 12:04
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 27-12-2008 12:10
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M. domestica I think. The abdomen has no reddish hues. Also the size of frontalia seems to point M. domestica |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 27-12-2008 17:37
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In Musca domestica, the frontal vitta should be not less than three times as broad as one fronto-orbital plate. Here, it is clearly narrower, at most two times as broad as a fo plate. Females M. autumnalis have usually a darker abdomen than males, often completely grey. This female is either M. autumnalis, or M. larvipara. Edited by Stephane Lebrun on 27-12-2008 17:38 Stephane. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 27-12-2008 17:39
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I used to think even females M. autumnalis had reddish abdomen!  Maybe this is a M. larvipara as you advanced... |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 27-12-2008 19:39
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 Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Can we say, that the differents between M.autumnalis and M.larvipara is manly the lenght of the black hairs on the suprasquamal ridge .... M.autumnalis = whit a group of black hairs M.larvipara = black hairs on whole lenght (Beside the differents of the lenght of the two flies...M.autumnalis 4,5-7,8 mm and M.larvipara 6-9 mm and M.larvipara is never spotted in the Netherlands) And if so....are there not many mistakes between those two flies. Might be Musca sorbens as well And Klaas...I have never heard of Musca sorbens...??? Only curious....Joke 
Edited by javanerkelens on 27-12-2008 19:49 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 27-12-2008 20:15
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
I don't personnaly know M. larvipara, I always have found only M. autumnalis. Another diffrence is that M. larvipara (like its name implies) is larviparous. Musca sorbens is found in mediterranean area in Europe (Nikita has placed many pictures in the gallery). Musca sorbens has a typical pattern on scutum (2 broad black vittae forked in front of the suture). Stephane. |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 27-12-2008 20:39
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Musca sorbens is found in mediterranean area in Europe (Nikita has placed many pictures in the gallery). Musca sorbens has a typical pattern on scutum (2 broad black vittae forked in front of the suture). Sorry...indeed in the gallery..  But I could not find it in my Key, so I wil make a notice.. And hope to find someday a M.larvipara! Thanks Joke |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 27-12-2008 20:50
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
And hope to find someday a M.larvipara! So do I, and Musca sorbens too, and Musca osiris and...
Edited by Stephane Lebrun on 27-12-2008 20:51 Stephane. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 27-12-2008 21:01
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
so come to Portugal. There are many Musca in the woodland waiting for you  Very nice name Musca osiris
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 27-12-2008 21:02 |
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| Klaas |
Posted on 28-12-2008 12:25
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Member Location: Posts: 655 Joined: 15.10.08 |
Thanks to everyone, for all this info, Best regards, Klaas |
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