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 Azelia nebulosa female, male?
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-12-2009 22:38
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 Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Hi, Taken on 22nd October 2009 on Ivy flowers. Not sure of size but around 5mm at a guess. It has strange black hairy 'things' on it's tongue, not sure what it's called.  A few miles south of Lincoln UK. 3 pics, I have cropped the head view closer. Any help appreciated. Janet 
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-12-2009 22:39
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-12-2009 22:39
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Head crop
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 02-12-2009 23:22
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 Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2128 Joined: 24.07.04 |
Looks more like a small calyptrate fly to me.
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| blowave |
Posted on 03-12-2009 14:31
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Thank you for the suggestion Jan, I am no expert and had looked in a few familes but was still puzzled until I saw one similar in Drosophilidae. I still couldn't get away from that family, so searched in google and found Drosophila hydei, a male and the halteres are not yellow but it does look very much like it. http://www.biolib...e/id30536/ These are cultured for exotic pet food  http://www.dendro...hydei.html What do you think? If we could say for sure that it is this we have no entries in the Gallery so would make a good addition. Looks good to me but as said, I'm not an expert. |
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| blowave |
Posted on 03-12-2009 14:48
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I see how difficult this could be! I found a page full of Drosophilidae, unless there is only one which has the yellow halteres. I think it is likely to be a Drosophila sp. though, there's a couple there I looked at which seem to have a similar mouth part. http://rice.bio.i...ophilidae/ Of course this is in Texas, and I don't know how many we have here but I imagine it' quite a lot.  |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 03-12-2009 15:34
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19259 Joined: 11.05.04 |
This certainly is not Drosophilidae. Jan Willem is right and it might be Anthomyidae.
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| blowave |
Posted on 03-12-2009 17:10
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I agree it isn't Drosophilidae, thanks! I saw another post of a Muscidae, Azelia nebulosa and I have had the male which also has yellow halteres! Could this be the female? |
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| blowave |
Posted on 03-12-2009 17:37
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I've changed the subject heading and uploading a tail view of the female as well as some pics of the male which was about 3mm long.
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| blowave |
Posted on 03-12-2009 17:37
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Male pic 1
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| blowave |
Posted on 03-12-2009 17:38
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Male pic 2
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| blowave |
Posted on 03-12-2009 17:38
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Male pic 3
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| blowave |
Posted on 03-12-2009 17:39
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Male pic 4
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| blowave |
Posted on 03-12-2009 17:40
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Male pic 5
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 03-12-2009 19:45
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 Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
The female will be difficult to say, maybe if you have a dorsal view of the thorax, so i can see the acrostichals. On the last photos of the male ,hindtibia with long rows of setae (not good visible) and no ad on midtibia.....so should be A.nebulosa, but not 100% sure. Joke |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 03-12-2009 21:37
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 Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
I can't see much resemblance between the first fly and Azelia, but it made me wonder why I don't remember seeing a female Azelia, or a picture of one. (I've just been through the Forum archive, but I might have missed something.) Are they less distinctive, or more secretive? Can anyone post one for the Gallery? |
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| blowave |
Posted on 03-12-2009 23:10
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Sorry Joke, I didn't get a dorsal shot of the female as she disappeared and by the angle I took the pic she must have been fairly high up. Yes Stephen, she must be secretive or shy as she didn't stay around for more pics. The face does look very similar to me, the only pics I have found of a female are on this link, two pics and one with a rear shot showing the same little things on the tail end whatever they are but mine doesn't have any spots visible. I will have to check what Azelia species we have here. (got the spelling wrong in the title!) http://www.galeri...cidae.html |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 03-12-2009 23:17
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
I personally find female of Azelia terrible to do.. I think Roger has also one female in his thread: http://www.dipter...d_id=26661 But as always.....important details are missing Joke Edited by javanerkelens on 03-12-2009 23:18 |
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| blowave |
Posted on 04-12-2009 00:35
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Oooh, such a shame you find females difficult We need a few more females for the gallery, so if anyone is able to master this female I would like to put it in the Gallery for all to make it easier in the future. |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 04-12-2009 01:17
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 Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5249 Joined: 17.07.08 |
javanerkelens wrote: I personally find female of Azelia terrible to do.. I think Roger has also one female in his thread: But as always.....important details are missing Joke Missing important details is a hard-earned skill..  ....which took a long time to master.....also the reason MY pics were heading for the recycle bin. Just thought I would give them a punt to wind-up Joke...AGAIN...It has been a success.... Roger |
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