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 Leskiini? second try
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| zcuc |
Posted on 19-10-2007 22:41
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
Hi, If you remember just few days ago I tried to identify a Lepidoptera caterpillar and was surprise to get a Tachinid from it http://www.dipter...rowstart=0 Well I went to the same Chrozophora obliqua and found another caterpillar looks like the same as the first with the same bite in the same place. coincidental ?? Or that Leskiini always bit on the same place? I'm keeping this one to see what?s get out, but we still have a small problem. Last time the enthusiasm was about matching Tachinid + host and I still don't know which moth's caterpillar is it. This is why I collected it from the beginning. I'll keep updating this post after the fly'll get out (about a week) and meanwhile any identification on this caterpillar is welcome. zcuc attached the following image:  [35.46Kb] Edited by zcuc on 19-10-2007 22:47 |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 19-10-2007 22:55
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 Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Good work - well spotted  Looks like a parasitized larvae to me but I don't think we can say what it is yet. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 19-10-2007 23:44
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
To me it seems some kind of Chinese black ink on caterpillar. lol Good try.  lol |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 20-10-2007 17:35
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18829 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Please do collect the specimen, if one pops up, this time !! Theo |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 27-10-2007 15:28
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
update: caterpillar turn into a 6mm pupa. I'm not sure if it's the caterpillar pupa or the fly pupa. What do you say? If this is a Tachinid pupa I guess the dirt around it are the remains of the caterpillar body. zcuc attached the following image:  [53.53Kb] |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 27-10-2007 16:47
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
That would be my guess Sounds like an ideal scanario ... much more exciting to have a tachinid from your larvae than boring old butterflies or moths  Let us know what happens - we wait with baited breath! |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 04-11-2007 10:13
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
Hatched
zcuc attached the following image:  [64.71Kb] |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 04-11-2007 10:14
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
and dorsal view
zcuc attached the following image:  [104.05Kb] |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 04-11-2007 11:08
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18829 Joined: 21.07.04 |
great, it still looks like Leskiini. I guess you will collect it this time. If you want me to have a look at it, please send an persoanl mail. Theo |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 04-11-2007 20:10
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
Sent PM. Do you need any close up photo for identification? or is it completely unidentifiable from photo? |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 05-11-2007 01:30
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
When identifying from a photo you really can only do species that you are confident about because you have seen many before and have keyed them to make 100% sure they are what you think they are - very rarely can you see all features needed by the major keys (eg. the episternum would be impossible to see if it was needed). I don't think Theo would like to venture a name for something unusual and outside his normal geographical area without keying the specimen |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 05-11-2007 13:22
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18829 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Chris is a terrific mind-reader. Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 16-11-2007 10:40
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18829 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I got the specimen, thanks to Zcuc. And it's a male of Fischeria bicolor, closely related to Solieria. This is a quite rare Mediterrean species, so far as I know reared only once:from Alophia combustella, a caterpillar carnivorous on Aphids on Pistacea. So, A great discovery. Now we need to get more info on the host. Thanks to Zcuc, Theo |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 16-11-2007 11:05
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Great record - and a good demonstration of how anyone can make new and important discoveries with tachinids ... with a little help from the experts More rearing records please! |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 16-11-2007 12:17
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18829 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I just learned that there have been more reared cases of Fischeria, unpublished, hosts so far in Pyralidae and Tortricidae. So I hope somebody might ID the host from picture to at least family level ? Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:19
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
show me the photos of the host. I can tell the possible family. I know some lepidopteran families. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:23
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18829 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Jorge, on top of this thread and a second host in the link given there. Theo |
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| crex |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:24
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 Member Location: Sweden Posts: 1996 Joined: 22.05.06 |
jorgemotalmeida wrote: show me the photos of the host. I can tell the possible family. I know some lepidopteran families.  |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 16-11-2007 18:26
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 Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5550 Joined: 02.03.05 |
You'll have to recognize the caterpillar. Hosts do not survive the parazitization by Tachinids. My feeling is that this larva will not add a new family as far as potential hosts are concerned. Gabor Keresztes Japan Wildlife Gallery Carpathian Basin Wildlife Gallery |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-11-2007 20:46
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
ok... I slept only 2 hours today.  It is Noctuidae - Noctua pronuba - probably. |
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