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Fly on dung, Chile. Scathophagidae?
Stephen
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This fly was on wet dung, Punta Arenas, Chile. The date was 18 December 2018.

Scathophagidae? Scathopaha sp.?
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A second photo.
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No dung fly (Scathophagidae) and no lesser dung fly (Sphaeroceridae). At least first of two frontorbitals seems to curve outside and lots of dorsocentral bristles present. I would suggest Heleomyzidae.
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Helcomyzidae, I think
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Scathophagidae are mostly arctic. Three species are known from high altitudes in South America.
 
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Nikita, the presence of extrem large orbitals are not corresponding with Helcomyzidae.
 
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Fred, we have fresh material from Chile in ZMUM. I specially asked collector to get flies from cow dung. So, next Wensday I'll check our material and come back to this thread.
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It looks like members of the genus Prosopantrum
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Hi all,

If this would be from the Palaearctic I'd suggest Prosopantrum flavifrons. Certainly because Punta arenas is at the coast. Here in North-West Europe an alien species from the Neotropics.
If anyone knows if there is any literature on Neotropic Heleomyzidae/Prosopantrum… I'd like to have a key to and original descriptions of Neotropic Prosopantrum.

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It's not P. flavifrons. More species are described... See: Malloch. 1934. Acalyptrata (concluded), pp. 177-233. Diptera of Patagonia and South Chile, Part
VI, Fasc. 45.
pls see also: https://diptera.i...d_id=75133
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I think it is Malloch (1933): Diptera of Patagonia and South Chile Part VI. Fascicle 4.- Acalyptrata (Heleomyzidae, Trypetidae, Sciomyzidae, Sapromyzidae, etc.): 177-389.
Prosopantrum covers page 199-208. 10 species included in a key and described.
 
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Andrzej wrote:
It's not P. flavifrons. More species are described... See: Malloch. 1934. Acalyptrata (concluded), pp. 177-233. Diptera of Patagonia and South Chile, Part
VI, Fasc. 45.
pls see also: https://diptera.i...d_id=75133


Ye! Sorry for mistake... I was in a hurry!
Anyway this work is obligatory for all of professionals dipterists!...

Andrzej
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Thank-you gentlemen. How amazing to see a fly on dung in the woods in Chile and a few weeks later have its ID, collaborated on by experts from Poland, Germany, Russia, Massachusetts, and the Netherlands. Cheers!
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It seems that my flies from Chile are a little bit different
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Hello people,

@Nikita, nice Heleomyzidae!

Does anybody then have a .pdf of: Malloch (1933): Diptera of Patagonia and South Chile Part VI. Fascicle 4.- Acalyptrata (Heleomyzidae, Trypetidae, Sciomyzidae, Sapromyzidae, etc.): 177-389.? If so, could you send me a pm?

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Unfortunaitely I have from Part VI. Fascicle 4 only Sciomyzidae chapter
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Sorry, but I have no pdf files to send the volume via internet ... :-(,
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Sorry, but I have no pdf files to send the volume via internet ... :-(,
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