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 Fly on dung, Chile. Scathophagidae?
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| Stephen |
Posted on 19-01-2019 12:25
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 Member Location: West Virginia USA Posts: 1322 Joined: 12.04.05 |
This fly was on wet dung, Punta Arenas, Chile. The date was 18 December 2018. Scathophagidae? Scathopaha sp.? Stephen attached the following image:  [80.71Kb] --Stephen Stephen Cresswell www.americaninsects.net |
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| Stephen |
Posted on 19-01-2019 12:26
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Member Location: West Virginia USA Posts: 1322 Joined: 12.04.05 |
A second photo.
Stephen attached the following image:  [123.69Kb] --Stephen Stephen Cresswell www.americaninsects.net |
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| Fred Fly |
Posted on 19-01-2019 17:22
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 395 Joined: 19.07.11 |
No dung fly (Scathophagidae) and no lesser dung fly (Sphaeroceridae). At least first of two frontorbitals seems to curve outside and lots of dorsocentral bristles present. I would suggest Heleomyzidae. Regards Fred Edited by Fred Fly on 19-01-2019 17:33 |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 19-01-2019 18:23
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9329 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Helcomyzidae, I think
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 19-01-2019 23:09
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 Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 10172 Joined: 22.10.10 |
Scathophagidae are mostly arctic. Three species are known from high altitudes in South America. |
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| Fred Fly |
Posted on 20-01-2019 11:06
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 395 Joined: 19.07.11 |
Nikita, the presence of extrem large orbitals are not corresponding with Helcomyzidae. |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 20-01-2019 13:56
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9329 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Fred, we have fresh material from Chile in ZMUM. I specially asked collector to get flies from cow dung. So, next Wensday I'll check our material and come back to this thread.
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 21-01-2019 00:03
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2358 Joined: 05.01.06 |
It looks like members of the genus Prosopantrum
dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 21-01-2019 13:23
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Member Location: The Netherlands Posts: 846 Joined: 22.11.11 |
Hi all, If this would be from the Palaearctic I'd suggest Prosopantrum flavifrons. Certainly because Punta arenas is at the coast. Here in North-West Europe an alien species from the Neotropics. If anyone knows if there is any literature on Neotropic Heleomyzidae/Prosopantrum… I'd like to have a key to and original descriptions of Neotropic Prosopantrum. Kind regards, Ectemnius |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 21-01-2019 15:04
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2358 Joined: 05.01.06 |
It's not P. flavifrons. More species are described... See: Malloch. 1934. Acalyptrata (concluded), pp. 177-233. Diptera of Patagonia and South Chile, Part VI, Fasc. 45. pls see also: https://diptera.i...d_id=75133 dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| Fred Fly |
Posted on 21-01-2019 20:43
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 395 Joined: 19.07.11 |
I think it is Malloch (1933): Diptera of Patagonia and South Chile Part VI. Fascicle 4.- Acalyptrata (Heleomyzidae, Trypetidae, Sciomyzidae, Sapromyzidae, etc.): 177-389. Prosopantrum covers page 199-208. 10 species included in a key and described. |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 22-01-2019 01:01
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2358 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Andrzej wrote: It's not P. flavifrons. More species are described... See: Malloch. 1934. Acalyptrata (concluded), pp. 177-233. Diptera of Patagonia and South Chile, Part VI, Fasc. 45. pls see also: https://diptera.i...d_id=75133 Ye! Sorry for mistake... I was in a hurry! Anyway this work is obligatory for all of professionals dipterists!... Andrzej Edited by Andrzej on 22-01-2019 01:02 dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| Stephen |
Posted on 22-01-2019 22:02
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Member Location: West Virginia USA Posts: 1322 Joined: 12.04.05 |
Thank-you gentlemen. How amazing to see a fly on dung in the woods in Chile and a few weeks later have its ID, collaborated on by experts from Poland, Germany, Russia, Massachusetts, and the Netherlands. Cheers!
--Stephen Stephen Cresswell www.americaninsects.net |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 23-01-2019 21:30
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9329 Joined: 24.05.05 |
It seems that my flies from Chile are a little bit different
Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [123.66Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 24-01-2019 12:40
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Member Location: The Netherlands Posts: 846 Joined: 22.11.11 |
Hello people, @Nikita, nice Heleomyzidae! Does anybody then have a .pdf of: Malloch (1933): Diptera of Patagonia and South Chile Part VI. Fascicle 4.- Acalyptrata (Heleomyzidae, Trypetidae, Sciomyzidae, Sapromyzidae, etc.): 177-389.? If so, could you send me a pm? Kind regards, Ectemnius |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 24-01-2019 14:04
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9329 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Unfortunaitely I have from Part VI. Fascicle 4 only Sciomyzidae chapter
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 25-01-2019 03:05
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2358 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Sorry, but I have no pdf files to send the volume via internet ... :-(,
dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 25-01-2019 03:06
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2358 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Sorry, but I have no pdf files to send the volume via internet ... :-(,
dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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