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 Andrenosoma cf cyrtoxys (southwestern France), identified
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| Steve O |
Posted on 26-04-2015 08:39
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Member Location: Posts: 18 Joined: 25.08.14 |
I'm terribly sorry about the quality of these images - I had ample time to take them ... it's just some times you blow it, and some times you don't know why (appropriate f stop, ISO and shutter speed ... just no talent). This asilid was just sitting there on a piece of wood, Réserve Naturelle de l'etang de Cousseau, Lacanau, Aquitaine, France, and it didn't want to move. I was beginning to think it dead until I applied a little 'persuasion' with a twig to see if it would move. It dropped to the ground and then spread the wings (fortunately). My lady wasn't impressed with the find so I snapped a few more picks off before she hauled me away. (I'll use that as my excuse for taking lousy pics.) Is this an old/worn out miserable-looking Choerades gilva? I don't believe I've had it from the region (here) before, but I'd not been here in Spring before. Thanks Steve Steve O attached the following image:  [186.34Kb] Edited by Steve O on 24-08-2015 19:44 |
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| Steve O |
Posted on 26-04-2015 08:41
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Member Location: Posts: 18 Joined: 25.08.14 |
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Steve O attached the following image:  [199.6Kb] Edited by Steve O on 26-04-2015 08:43 |
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| Steve O |
Posted on 26-04-2015 08:45
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Member Location: Posts: 18 Joined: 25.08.14 |
Image 3
Steve O attached the following image:  [193.38Kb] Edited by Steve O on 26-04-2015 08:50 |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 26-04-2015 18:52
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Pictures are good enough......Andrenosoma cf cyrtoxys
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Steve O |
Posted on 24-08-2015 19:38
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Member Location: Posts: 18 Joined: 25.08.14 |
Thank you Reinoud (and I am very sorry for my tardy reply) Steve |
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| Markus Gebel |
Posted on 13-05-2018 17:45
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 Member Location: Germany Posts: 210 Joined: 18.07.06 |
Quaedfliegh wrote: Pictures are good enough......Andrenosoma cf cyrtoxys Hello Reinoud What makes you sure, that this photos are showing A.cyrtoxys? Only the open first posterior cell at the wings? Best wishes from Germany Markus |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 14-05-2018 19:27
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I am not sure, that is why I added the cf. The red spots on T IV-VII in combination with the open r5 point at cyrtoxys. . The known alternative would be A. albibarbe, but that species has a broader red spot on the back starting at T II and is a sub-alpine species as far as I know.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Markus Gebel |
Posted on 15-05-2018 07:47
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 210 Joined: 18.07.06 |
Hello Reinoud I also think that this photos shows Andrenosoma cyrtoxys. ;-) I was only interested in how you came to the species "cyrtoxys" :-D. Thank you for your answer!!! The photos of this determination request (https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=54594) show in my opinion A. bayardi. best wishes Markus |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 15-05-2018 14:47
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
When I reacted to that thread in 2016, A. bayardi was not yet known from Spain. I guess you have read the paper by Garcia et al? It could very well be bayardi in the picture, but in my experience with Spanish asilidae, little is known and new species surface each year...
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Markus Gebel |
Posted on 15-05-2018 19:09
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 210 Joined: 18.07.06 |
Reinoud, also Fritz Geller-Grimm shows the key of A.bayardi. Look here: http://www.geller...drenoe.htm A few days ago, I spoke with Fritz, because I found also an Andrenosoma species in France. ;-) Edited by Markus Gebel on 15-05-2018 19:31 |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 15-05-2018 19:59
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Aha, but last year a new species has been described A. biacuminatum from Spain, so the key should be adapted. bayardi and cyrtoxys were added to the Spanish fauna in the same paper. "Taxonomic review of the species of Andrenosoma (Diptera: Asilidae) in Spain and description of a new species" 2017 García, Pérez, Portillo. I can send you the pdf if you want. Where did you find the Andrenosoma? Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Markus Gebel |
Posted on 15-05-2018 22:33
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 210 Joined: 18.07.06 |
Hi Reinoud Thank you. Yes i'm very interested to get this paper. :-) I found the Andrenosoma last week in South-France near Montelimar (Provence). Tomorow i'll show a picture from this species here in the forum. ;-) greetings Markus |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 16-05-2018 00:28
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I sent you some papers through info@digitale.... I will be looking forward to the picture :-)
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| christoophe |
Posted on 16-05-2018 07:30
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 Member Location: France Provence Posts: 1955 Joined: 06.02.08 |
To add to your discussion. Andrenosoma bayardi (Collection J.M. Maldes). christoophe attached the following image:  [197.68Kb] Edited by christoophe on 16-05-2018 07:30 |
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| christoophe |
Posted on 16-05-2018 07:31
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Member Location: France Provence Posts: 1955 Joined: 06.02.08 |
Andrenosoma cyrtoxys Collected on May 10 in the ripisylve of the durance in the Alpes de Hautes Provence. christoophe attached the following image:  [192.3Kb] |
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| Markus Gebel |
Posted on 16-05-2018 08:23
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 210 Joined: 18.07.06 |
@Reinoud: Thanx you very much for your e-mail. :-) Super! @Christoophe: Cool! Thats very interesting pictures. They show the differences between A.bayardi and A.cyrtoxys good. Do you know the length of both flies? It would be very interesting. :-) |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 16-05-2018 21:51
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
But the female cyrtoxys is very dark, also the red spots that are visible, are very broad....are you sure?
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| christoophe |
Posted on 17-05-2018 07:48
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Member Location: France Provence Posts: 1955 Joined: 06.02.08 |
The tergites are dark after drying. |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 17-05-2018 21:25
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Did you also collect a male?
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| christoophe |
Posted on 21-05-2018 20:39
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Member Location: France Provence Posts: 1955 Joined: 06.02.08 |
No male |
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but don't see the image in the post.
