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Asilidae + Rhagionidae (Paris, France) identified (thread '3' of 2)
Steve O
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One final one for me for some time. Attached are two species from Bois de Vincennes, Paris, France, that I believe are Asilids (the lower is for sure .... unless it isn't Frown ). The photos were taken on the 1st of June '14. Neither was a particularly large species, ~15mm TL. Any help with ID would be appreciated.

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50% correct Smile. First one is a male of Rhagio tringarius (Rhagionidae), while the second a female of Neomochterus (Asilidae).
 
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Oh deary me. I'm used to things with 8 legs +/- a couple of tentacles. Thanks a million

 
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I would like to see the ovipositor and the end of the abdomen of the asilid better. For i think it is a female Neoitamus cf cyanurus. The tarsi are too black for a Neomochtherus species. The wing coveres the important last segments.
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Quaedfliegh wrote:
I would like to see the ovipositor and the end of the abdomen of the asilid better. For i think it is a female Neoitamus cf cyanurus. The tarsi are too black for a Neomochtherus species. The wing coveres the important last segments.



Yes, some details are missing. Even increasing photo's brightness last tergites don't seem to be black...but are still too dark to be sure they're not black at all. Anyways, to me they appeared too "fat" to be a Neoitamus, that usually has that kind of slender "spear" made of last black tergites.
 
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I understand your opinion Valerio, but i think she is pregnant. Look at the occipital bristles, not very visible but enough, the are long and bent forward. So i'm actually quite sure about Neoitamus.
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Quaedfliegh wrote:
I understand your opinion Valerio, but i think she is pregnant. Look at the occipital bristles, not very visible but enough, the are long and bent forward. So i'm actually quite sure about Neoitamus.




My fault! I didn't check them, sorry! You're right, Neoitamus.
 
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