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Dinera carinifrons (Fallen, 1817) [OK]
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Posted on 16-11-2013 20:21
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 I have only this shot, I hope someone will be able to ID at least the genus. It was really a big one!

12.08.2013 - Northeast Italy

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Tachinidae di Marcello Consolo, su Flickr

Thanks for the help!

Cao,
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Edited by Marcello on 17-11-2013 21:01
http://www.flickr...loconsolo/
 
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 Looks like Dinera sp. to me Smile
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 Hi Chris!

Nice Smile

We have only 3 species here:

D. carinifrons
D. ferina
D. grisescens

it had a very long legs btw!

Thank you!

Ciao,
Marcello
Edited by Marcello on 16-11-2013 23:31
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 Yes, I would guess carinifrons (it definitely isn't grisescens - not dusted enough). The long legs are a good indicator that it could be a dexiine Smile
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 Yes, D. grisescens look different, D. ferina have the face more flattened Smile

Then, I have a shot (very bad shot) where we can see the big proboscis, so I think D. carinifrons

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Edited by Marcello on 17-11-2013 00:10
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 Can you see if the excavation on the front of the abdomen reaches the posterior edge of the syntergite?
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 Yes, it is carinifrons


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 Thanks Theo!

BTW here is the shot where we can see what you asked for (I think)
Marcello attached the following image:


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 Yes, that just confirms carinifrons Smile
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 Thank you Chris for your help Wink

Ciao,
Marcello
http://www.flickr...loconsolo/
 
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 D. fuscata, I think.
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 I don't know that species - can you say what makes it fuscata?
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 They are very similar species, but the dusting of the body is usually lighter in true carinifrons, the head is usually longer, because of wider parafacials.
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 OK thx - obviously a bit of a tricky spot from photos without experience Smile
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 I don't have Dinera fuscata in the Italian checklist, neither in the EU checklist, or maybe am I wrong?

Italian/EU checklist:

Dinera Robineau-Desvoidy, 1830

Dinera carinifrons (Fallén, 1816) (N)

Dinera ferina (Fallén, 1816) (N, S)

Dinera grisescens (Fallén, 1816) (N)


Thanks.

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Edited by Marcello on 29-11-2013 21:34
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 Maybe not in the checklist, but you have it. J. Ziegler was working with D. carinifrons species group, the paper will come soon.
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 That's very interesting, because I didn't see any find of it in Italy around the web.
BTW there was a lot of this big Dinera.

Thank you for the info.

Ciao,
Marcello
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 Ahhh, so Dinera fuscata is the one that Ziegler has split from carinifrons? That makes sense - it is unpublished work. I helped him get specimens from the NHM but haven't see his draft paper Smile
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 Ok Chris, there are a lot, but really a lot of this Dinera sp. so I'll send you some specimens!
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 Great thanks! Dinera carinifrons has never been common here and it would be good to have the alternative species too to study Smile
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