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Sphaeroceridae ?
Robert Heemskerk
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Posted on 21-04-2007 22:08
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 hi flyforum,

This tiny fly remembers me a bit of Sphaeroceridae sp. (it's attitude)
But the legs are not strong and it's got white spots in the wing..
any suggestion?

place: Amsterdam Forest
size: ~3mm

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 Scatella (Ephydridae).
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 thanks Kahis!

that fits, it was sitting on some wood on the shore of a lake..
 
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 Hi Robert
This is Scatella tenuicosta. The shape of the distal spot in the wing is distinctive.
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 Thank you Tony Smile

Frown I can not find these specie in the dutch specie-list...??

Are you sure it is Scatella tenuicosta?

Perhabs the list is not complete..?

1. Scatella Robineau-Desvoidy, 1830 [geslacht]
2. Scatella lutosa (Haliday, 1833) [soort]
3. Scatella paludum (Meigen, 1830) [soort]
4. Scatella stagnalis (Fall?n, 1813) [soort]
5. Scatella subguttata (Meigen, 1830) [soort]
 
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 I am sure it is tenuicosta, and I am sure it has been found in The Netherlands before, even if no-one has recognised it! Grin
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 Hello, me again..

It would be nice if Paul or any other specialist (for the Netherlands) can confirm this?! or deny it!?

It is not Scatella stagnalis?, that one is on the Dutch Specielist.

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 Hi Robert
I would be very surprised if tenuicosta does not occur in every country in Europe! This photo is tenuicosta for sure, but I'll be happy to examine any Scatella specimens from the Netherlands, so that Paul has a specimen-based record to add it to the official list. Many entomologists have assumed that any small anonymous Scatella is stagnalis, but often they have confused this species with tenuicosta.
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 Here in Finland both species occur, but S. tenuicosta is everywhere, S. stagnalis is by no means rare but clearly less common than S. tenuicosta.
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 Well, maybe tenuicosta does occur in the Netherlands, but if it does, no-one ever bothered to report it under that name.
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Paul Beuk wrote:
Well, maybe tenuicosta does occur in the Netherlands, but if it does, no-one ever bothered to report it under that name.


First record by Robert then ... Whohoo Grin
 
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 Well, let Robert collect a few specimens for final confirmation. Wink
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 I will try to find some of these.. Wink

It are no escaped Vulture's which are easier to collect Grin
 
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 Well, that vulture required several days, so it was not that easy.
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 I collect a Scatella sp. on this place but It looks like a different sp. then Sc. tenuicosta..

I'll show you some pictures of this Scatella sp.
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 Well, it looks different because it is a Hydrellia Smile
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