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| Valentin Nidergas |
Posted on 21-05-2013 21:02
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Member Location: Savoie, France Posts: 79 Joined: 17.05.13 |
I'm not sure about the genrea... Pipizella ? http://www.galeri...alinae.jpg http://insecte.or...mp;t=92187 Grésy s/ Isère (France, Savoie) 08/IV/2012 high grasses / sweep net lengh: very small col. NIDERGAS Valentin thanks  Edit: sorry, i've failed to put directly the photography on my post... Edited by Valentin Nidergas on 21-05-2013 21:04 |
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| Fred Fly |
Posted on 21-05-2013 22:12
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 395 Joined: 19.07.11 |
Specimen belongs to genus Heringia. |
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| Valentin Nidergas |
Posted on 21-05-2013 23:31
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Member Location: Savoie, France Posts: 79 Joined: 17.05.13 |
Thanks Piet Nord ! I'm surprised that my specimen belong to genus Heringia... what is the identification criteria of this genus ? |
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| Fred Fly |
Posted on 22-05-2013 09:03
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 395 Joined: 19.07.11 |
Hi Valentin, based on your question I picked out now some specimen of Heringia and Pipizella and compared it with your pictures in "Le monde des insectes". As discussed the female belongs based on the flat and hairy face to the tribe Pipizini. I thought that it is belonging to Neocnemodon because of general appearance and the yellow basitarsi of p2. Neocnemodon is now seen as a subgenus of Heringia. The more carefull comparison has shown that I was wrong with my first opinion. I'm very sorry for this! Because of the long, bright hairs and the fact, that vein M1 meets R2+3 in a more or less right angle (not easy to detect on the pictures) it is belonging to Pipizella. The comparison has shown that your specimen is very similar to females of P. divicoi and P. zeneggenensis I collected in copula. Both species occure in your region. Nevertheless your female of Pipizella keeps undeterminabel on species level. Perhaps you collect some males of it. The good place for Pipizella in Gresy-sur-Isere seems to be the gras patches in the area north of Chemin du Touvet and west of Chemin du Moulin. Bonne chance |
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| Valentin Nidergas |
Posted on 22-05-2013 17:06
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Member Location: Savoie, France Posts: 79 Joined: 17.05.13 |
Thank you so much Piet Nord for your precisions ! So you know my region ? Have you ever been catch any hoverflies there ? (but what is "p2" ?) |
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| Fred Fly |
Posted on 22-05-2013 20:48
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 395 Joined: 19.07.11 |
I dont really know the Haute-Savoie but it seems to be one of the best known departements which the richest syrphid fauna reported from France. I only used Google Earth to figure out a place where I whould expect Pipizella at your place. I the past I had the chance to collect Diptera in regions like Provence, Massif Central, Vogeses, Cevennes, Pyrenees or Corsica. A new trip will start at the end of next week to Departement 66 for two weeks and I hope to get a lot of Pipizella. One day I will visite the Haute-Savoie. I used p2 for the midlegs. |
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