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 Calliphora subalpina
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| cyprinoid |
Posted on 26-07-2010 22:04
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 Member Location: Norway Posts: 1751 Joined: 19.06.09 |
Edited for clarity: I found these in a forest, they did not seem like normal C. vicina in behaviour. I collected the male. And looking at it I does not look like the vicinas I have seen before... coulour of spiracle and tegula cyprinoid attached the following image:  [135.01Kb] Edited by cyprinoid on 27-09-2010 07:19 Hyperbolizer |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 26-07-2010 22:27
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 Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3890 Joined: 28.07.07 |
This fly looks a bit intermediate (are there any hybrids? Probably not...) See discussion under http://www.dipter...;pid=53528. As to the brown face and the brown spiracle, I would tend to C. vicina. |
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| cyprinoid |
Posted on 27-07-2010 06:21
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Member Location: Norway Posts: 1751 Joined: 19.06.09 |
Edited for clarity: top pic is the fly in question, the bottom is a common vicina from the garden. Thanks Sundew cyprinoid attached the following image:  [162.74Kb] Edited by cyprinoid on 28-07-2010 20:30 Hyperbolizer |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 27-07-2010 13:48
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18542 Joined: 21.07.04 |
?? Pale spiracle is one of the features of vicina. Inother species, these are dark (as a rule). Moreover, the beard is not red, that is the chitine behind it on the gena. I have no problem with calling this vicina. Theo |
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| cyprinoid |
Posted on 27-07-2010 18:11
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Member Location: Norway Posts: 1751 Joined: 19.06.09 |
So you are sayng I walked for two hours and came home with one fly, Calliphora vicina?!  Thank you both for helping out. Edited by cyprinoid on 28-07-2010 20:52 Hyperbolizer |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 27-07-2010 21:29
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
I have some doubts on C. vicina : the basicosta is too dark. Maybe around Calliphora uralensis ?
Stephane. |
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| cyprinoid |
Posted on 28-07-2010 20:52
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Member Location: Norway Posts: 1751 Joined: 19.06.09 |
About the term pale, I do not have the litterature so I am not sure what is ment by pale there, in common conversation I would however say that the orange coulour of spiracle in the fly at the bottom in post #3 is less pale (or more vibrant) than in the fly on top. If not anything else, definitely a different colour. I do agree that is not dark though, quite the opposite and maybe that is your point? Pale / 'Not dark' spiracle equals C. vicina. I want to quote Paul from an earlier thread (http://www.dipter...d_id=26378) as I do not have Rognes' key myself: "According to Rognes' key (or rather his description of uralensis), the anterior spiracle of uralensis sometimes IS pale." Attached is a pic of the tegula. Thank you for reminding me Stephane. The weather turned and I could not find a common C. vicina to make good comparisons-pics this afternoon. I do not have one pinned But clearly, it is not orange like with the common vicinasI am pretty confident it is not the common C. vicina I am used to seeing, another form, if not a different species. PS: I have edited my posts for clarity, I thought that I had nailed it and found one of "the others" and everyone would agree, a mistake made from being in a hurry I guess, I apologize to sundew and Zeegers if any replies to my initial posts semms to be out of context. cyprinoid attached the following image:  [80.45Kb] Edited by cyprinoid on 29-07-2010 19:49 Hyperbolizer |
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| cyprinoid |
Posted on 06-09-2010 08:12
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Member Location: Norway Posts: 1751 Joined: 19.06.09 |
C. subalpina 
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but don't see the image in the post.