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 Coelopidae; Malacomyia sciomyzina...ID'd by G.Pennards / S.Lebrun
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 29-10-2009 00:41
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 Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5248 Joined: 17.07.08 |
Looks like C.pilipes, but legs and top of head seem to be different colour from previous finds....maybe something else altogether???? Only 1 photo. Maybe even a Sphaerocerid ? EDIT; Changed Heading, Was: Coelopa pilipes?? Roger Thomason attached the following image:  [135.48Kb] Edited by Roger Thomason on 31-10-2009 09:28 |
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| KWQ |
Posted on 29-10-2009 18:39
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Member Location: Turku, Finland Posts: 208 Joined: 10.12.04 |
I've once seen a coelopid under a microscope (in our fauna the only species is Coelopa frigida though), and it resembled a sphaerocerid. And wouldn't pilipes suggest more hairy legs? This one brings first the genus Scathophaga to my mind. |
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| KWQ |
Posted on 29-10-2009 19:05
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Member Location: Turku, Finland Posts: 208 Joined: 10.12.04 |
But on the second look I rather think that the head and the antenna are not particularly "scathophagidish"... I'll give up and leave this to the "pundits". |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 30-10-2009 01:32
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Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5248 Joined: 17.07.08 |
Hi Kaj, you say C.frigida is the only one recorded in Finland. This was supposed to be the case with Shetland also, but I have found C.pilipes here also (See similar threads at bottom of page). I have only seen males before and wondered if this was maybe a female of the species?? Odd looking fly though, sort of cross between Coelopidae, Sphaeroceridae with a bit of Scathophagidae thrown in too. Maybe someone will come up with an ID....? Regards Roger Edited by Roger Thomason on 30-10-2009 01:33 |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 30-10-2009 14:47
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Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5248 Joined: 17.07.08 |
Sorry to be a bore with this thread, but, too windy for flies here at the moment  .Don't suppose it could be Heterocheilidae: Heterocheila buccata which I have seen at Scatsta Airport before. I put some photo's in the Gallery last year, it looks similar????? Here are a couple more photo's taken last year which I have assumed to be H.buccata for comparison Roger Thomason attached the following image:  [95.25Kb] |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 30-10-2009 14:47
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Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5248 Joined: 17.07.08 |
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| Gerard Pennards |
Posted on 30-10-2009 15:04
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 Member Location: Amersfoort Posts: 1914 Joined: 07.06.04 |
Hey Rogaldine!  If the last picture is the same individual it's easy, because that's a Heleomyzidae. If not, it might be the third species of the family Coelopidae, and that one's called Malacomyia sciomyzina! Greetings Greetings, Gerard Pennards |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 30-10-2009 16:20
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Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5248 Joined: 17.07.08 |
Hey Geraldine What are you doing on here..you should be up to your neck in nappies....skiving huh. Those are 3 different flies taken at Scatsta at various times. I assumed (wrongly again) that they were all the same kind...confusion reigns again. In fact looking at the last last picture, that was taken on my greenhouse and is a Heleomyzidae..(MIS-FILED).please disregard that one, I'm an idiot ..Anyone know if it is M.sciomyzina.Another crap day in Shetland....wind/rain Roger 
Edited by Roger Thomason on 30-10-2009 16:23 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 30-10-2009 23:02
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Fly 1 : for sure Coelopidae. The thoracic dorsum seems not flat, the frons is rufous as the abdomen partially, the scutellum is triangular, not short : I think it is Malacomyia sciomyzina as Gerard suggested. Fly 2: should be Heterocheila buccata (mouth edge not protruding here, so not Coelopidae). Fly 3 : I think Heleomyzidae too (a well visible costal break, so not Coelopidae, Heterocheleidae or Helcomyzidae). Stephane. |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 31-10-2009 01:36
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Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5248 Joined: 17.07.08 |
Thanks Stephane for confirming Gerard's suggestion, (Good spot Gerard)..another unrecorded species for Shetland. Didn't think I'd seen this one before .Regards Roger |
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but don't see the image in the post.