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Nearly wingless fly ? -> Conioscinella zetterstedti
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ole |
Posted on 14-09-2009 22:10
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Member Location: copenhagen /Denmark Posts: 812 Joined: 29.11.07 |
Can it be a Chloropidae ?? on the cost in Southern jutland (easten part) Running fast around on a boat. Thanks, Ole ole attached the following image: [39.91Kb] Edited by ole on 23-02-2010 14:15 |
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ole |
Posted on 14-09-2009 22:12
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Member Location: copenhagen /Denmark Posts: 812 Joined: 29.11.07 |
more angels
ole attached the following image: [61.21Kb] |
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paqui |
Posted on 14-09-2009 22:30
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Member Location: Valencia (spain) Posts: 816 Joined: 02.09.05 |
there was a palaearctic Chloropidae with such small wings, Neuropachys brachiptera, (Hungary) but it´s not at Fauna Europaea and I can´t find a synonim, I´ll try lovely |
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ole |
Posted on 14-09-2009 22:36
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Member Location: copenhagen /Denmark Posts: 812 Joined: 29.11.07 |
It vas a small lovely one. great you are trying! |
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Paul Beuk |
Posted on 14-09-2009 22:39
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19363 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Now known as Tricimba (Crassivenula) brachyptera (Thalhammer, 1913)
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
paqui |
Posted on 14-09-2009 22:45
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Member Location: Valencia (spain) Posts: 816 Joined: 02.09.05 |
thanks! |
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ole |
Posted on 14-09-2009 22:57
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Member Location: copenhagen /Denmark Posts: 812 Joined: 29.11.07 |
Thank you very much, Paul Regards Ole |
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Paul Beuk |
Posted on 14-09-2009 23:07
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19363 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Mind you, I don't know whether that is the name to go with this fly. AFAIK Tricimba has two longitudinal grooves in the mesonotum but perhaps that does not apply to the subgenus in question.
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ole |
Posted on 14-09-2009 23:15
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Member Location: copenhagen /Denmark Posts: 812 Joined: 29.11.07 |
So it can not be ID-ed from thse photos I´ve not other angles, unfortunately Ole |
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paqui |
Posted on 14-09-2009 23:57
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Member Location: Valencia (spain) Posts: 816 Joined: 02.09.05 |
* reading more carefully the description many characters fit but "Neuropachys" should have grooves, sorry *(edit): another try, just by name: Conioscinella brachyptera (again I don´t find the synonim, but black antennae, "Backen gelb, wenig schmäler als das 3. Fuhlerglied" I don´t understand this meaning of "Backen" ), body 1-1´5mm, grey wing with black veins... Do I follow with this one or try another? Edited by paqui on 15-09-2009 00:23 |
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jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 15-09-2009 00:44
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
i think backen gelb means intense yellow... |
Andrzej |
Posted on 15-09-2009 00:49
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2358 Joined: 05.01.06 |
"Backen" are the same as genae (pluralis) in Latin !
dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 15-09-2009 01:00
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
well, hardly my German is great. dzieki, Andrzej. |
Paul Beuk |
Posted on 15-09-2009 10:38
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19363 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Conioscinella zetterstedti Andersson 1966 (= C. brachyptera auct. nec. (Zett., 1848). Aphanotrigonum brachypterum Zetterstedt 1848 Though listed as valid species of Fauna Europaea it also has been mentioned as synonym of Aphanotrigonum nigripes (Zetterstedt 1848). Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
paqui |
Posted on 15-09-2009 17:06
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Member Location: Valencia (spain) Posts: 816 Joined: 02.09.05 |
- Jorge) Thanks for your interest - Andrzej) I suspected it was not an oven question I´ve got 2 german dictionaries but this vocabulary is difficult to find, thank you! - Paul) thanks again, finding syninimies is difficult for me - head a little broader than thorax - face grey-white - frons: yellow at the front side and grey-black backside, with black hairs - ocellar triangle black -> I thionk it doesn´t fit, (... Edited by paqui on 15-09-2009 17:16 |
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ole |
Posted on 16-09-2009 23:29
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Member Location: copenhagen /Denmark Posts: 812 Joined: 29.11.07 |
Thank you for trying paqui! If I ever, ever get a chance to se this funny litle fly again i´ll better try to catch it! best regards, Ole |
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Gordon |
Posted on 18-11-2009 11:31
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Member Location: Lake Kerkini, Greece Posts: 1099 Joined: 02.01.08 |
Interesting but not totally helpful (I found this link through Google ) - Michael Tschirnhaus has included Conioscinella brachyptera in a list of chloropidae from Kerkini - I have been looking for an authority with little luck, it is not in FE. Can anybody help.????? |
Paul Beuk |
Posted on 18-11-2009 11:48
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19363 Joined: 11.05.04 |
From what I can deduce Conioscinella brachyptera 'does not exist'. The name has been used for a species of Conioscinella and it was acredited to Zetterstedt, [1848]. Later examination of material showed that in fact it was a species of Aphanotrigonum and the Conioscinella species was given the name zetterstedti by Andersson. Whether the species mentioned by Von Tschirnhaus it the one species or the other, you should ask him. Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
Paul Beuk |
Posted on 18-11-2009 14:57
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19363 Joined: 11.05.04 |
I alerted Michael to this trhead. He lost lost his password so he sent the reply to me directly: How much discussion! The fly is Conioscinella zetterstedti Andersson, 1966 (= C. brachyptera auctt. nec Zetterstedt). "Backen" normally means cheeks, but several Acalyptratae in addition have "Wangen", for example Agromyzidae. Wangen are the prolongation of the strips at the side of the face (antennal pits) along the whole lower part of the eye. This difference often is mixed up by well experienced actual dipterists if they measure the width of the "Backen" (genae) in comparison to the height of the eyes. Some manuals, too, do not consider this difference, they only explain "gena". In such families as Agromyzidae you have to be careful to distinguish between Backen (= jowls) and Wangen (= cheeks), and such a measurement has to be called "Backen plus Wangen" (cheeks and jowls together) for example 1/6 height of eye. "Cheeks" never are equipped with setulae.
C. zetterstedti is a very abundant species along the sea but also in dryer inland grassland, partly with normal and partly with short or even without wings. The larvae are phytosaprophagous. The scutellum is very short, in alcohol material you may see 3 or 5 darker longitudinal stripes on the scutum. The scutum (mesonotum) is much more shining than in similar Aphanotrigonum species. In my database I have 145 articles on this fly either as zetterstedti or as brachyptera. Tricimba (= Crassivenula, = Neuropachys) brachyptera (Thalhammer, 1913) is a quite different species (also in dry grassland), as well Aphanotrigonum nigripes brachypterum (Zetterstedt, 1848) and "Myrmemorpha brachyptera Dufour, 1833" (partly treated as a synonym of Elachiptera brevipennis). In the older literature C. brachyptera auctt. has also been treated in the genera Oscinella, Oscinis, Tropidoscinis or Oscinisoma. I add 6 selected articles on this fly, partly with the exact page numbers on which the species is discussed: Ardö, P. (1957) Studies in the marine shore dune ecosystem with special reference to the dipterous fauna. - Opuscula entomologica Supplementum 14: 1-255; Lund. [En] 140-147 187-189 214-215. Bährmann, R. (1987) Untersuchungen der Dipterenfauna in natur- und industrienahen Rasenbiotopen Thüringens (DDR) mittels Bodenfallen (Diptera Brachycera). - Deutsche entomologische Zeitschrift (neue Folge) 34 (1-3): 85-105; Berlin. [De en]. Studies on the fauna of Diptera in natural and industry-influenced grassland biotopes of Thuringia (GDR) by pitfall trapping. Brauns, A. (1938) Die Flügelrückbildung bei der Strandfliege Conioscinella brachyptera Zett. (Diptera; Chloropidae) und die Beziehungen zur Ausbildung der Flügelsinneskuppeln. - Zoologischer Anzeiger 123 (10-12): 281-295; Leipzig. [De] (Wing reduction in the beach fly Conioscinella brachyptera Zett. (Diptera; Chloropidae) and the relations to the formation of the sense buds on the wings). Brauns, A. (1939) Morphologische und physiologische Untersuchungen zum Halterenproblem unter besonderer Berücksichtigung brachypterer Arten. - Zoologische Jahrbücher, Abteilung für allgemeine Zoologie und Physiologie der Tiere 59: 245-390; Jena. [De] (Morphological and physiological studies on the halter problem, with special reference to brachypterous species). 248 324-333 341 349 351 370-373 381 383. Mohrig, W. (1967) Beitrag zur Ökologie und Verbreitung brachypterer Dipteren in norddeutschen Biotopen. - Deutsche entomologische Zeitschrift (neue Folge) 14 (1-2): 169-184; Berlin. [De de] (Contribution to the ecology and distribution of brachypterous Diptera in biotopes of northern Germany).173-176 182. Wheeler, T. A. (1994) Conioscinella zetterstedti Andersson (Diptera: Chloropidae), a chloropid fly with polymorphic wing reduction, new to the Nearctic and central Palaearctic regions. - Canadian Entomologist 126: 1377-1381; Ottawa. [En en fr] Dr. Michael von Tschirnhaus Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
paqui |
Posted on 19-11-2009 20:09
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Member Location: Valencia (spain) Posts: 816 Joined: 02.09.05 |
Oh, it´s very, very interesting, thank you very much |
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