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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 21-06-2006 11:55
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Early morning, edge of pine wood, on flowers of Aegopodium. Wing-rotation movements. Pallopteridae? Not collected, size 3-4mm. Dmitry Gavryushin attached the following image:  [90.58Kb] Edited by Dmitry Gavryushin on 21-06-2006 11:56 |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 21-06-2006 11:57
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3308 Joined: 17.10.05 |
One more view.
Dmitry Gavryushin attached the following image:  [95.3Kb] |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 21-06-2006 12:18
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One of the Pallopteridae, I think. I will leave this one to Jan Willem.
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 21-06-2006 12:38
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3308 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Thanks, OK then. |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 21-06-2006 14:00
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 Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2137 Joined: 24.07.04 |
Hi Black, I will give it a try tonight. However I know that Andrey Ozerov has described several new species from Russia. I don't know these species. So it may be a good idea to ask Andrey Ozerov for his opinion. Jan Willem |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 21-06-2006 14:45
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9349 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Dima, Jan doubts, so it may be something interesting. Plaese, do your best to collect several flies!
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 21-06-2006 18:57
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Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2137 Joined: 24.07.04 |
Hi Dima, My best guess would be Toxoneura quinquemaculata (or Palloptera quinquemaculata), but I'm not at all sure. The ovipositor should be broad, but you can only see the tip; the space below the eye should be high, but that is difficult to see. I'm looking forward to hear the opinion of Andrey Ozerov. Jan Willem |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 21-06-2006 19:25
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19375 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Jan Willem, what is the status of Palloptera in its broad sense and the situation with all the separate smaller genera?
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 21-06-2006 22:34
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Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2137 Joined: 24.07.04 |
Hi, Paul Asked: what is the status of Palloptera in its broad sense and the situation with all the separate smaller genera? In the British checklist is stated: McAlpine recognised the splitting of Palloptera into several genera, the British species being assigned to Palloptera, Temnosira Enderlein and Toxoneura Macquart. These genera were based on chaetotactic characters which did not lead to natural groups, so are not accepted here. Well I have to admit that I have my doubts about the generic devision proposed by McAlpine and therefor prefer placing the species of these genera all in the genus Palloptera (with the exeption of Eurygnathomyia bicolor), like is done in the British checklist. Apparently several dipterists think otherwise because the generic division of McAlpine is followed by many of them. I have to admit though that to form a good opinion about this I would really need to study a lot of specimens much more serious than I have done yet (which would not be a bad idea if I had the time to do so!). Jan Willem |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 21-06-2006 22:37
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Thanks. Well, it may be interesting to knwo that A. Ozerov also synonymised several of McAlpine's Piophilidae genera...
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 22-06-2006 07:27
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3308 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Thanks to all, I just wonder what kept me from collecting it (maybe heat), the fly was rather indolent - maybe next morning I'll examine Aegopodium umbels there. |
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| Andrey Ozerov |
Posted on 22-06-2006 10:05
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It is Toxoneura trimacula (Meigen), I think. |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 22-06-2006 11:22
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Hi Andrey, I think you are right. At first I thought cross vein ta was also clouded, but giving it a better look I think only the vein itself is dark. In Toxoneura quinquemaculata this vein is distinctly clouded. Moreover, the specimen is too pale for quinquemaculata and the jowl (although you cannot see this very clearly in the picture) seems not to be high enough for quinquemaculata. So Dima, you can label it Toxoneura quinquemaculata. Sorry, should be: You can label it Toxoneura trimacula And Andrey, what is your opinion on the division into genera like Toxoneura, Temnosira, and Palloptera? Jan Willem Edited by Jan Willem on 22-06-2006 12:08 |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 22-06-2006 11:25
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3308 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Thanks a lot Andrey and Jan! |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 22-06-2006 11:58
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Sorry Dima, Jan Willem wrote: you can label it Toxoneura quinquemaculata. That should be: You can label it Toxoneura trimacula! Jan Willem |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 22-06-2006 13:22
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3308 Joined: 17.10.05 |
It's OK I recognized the typo. |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 03-07-2006 22:13
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3308 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Is it the same one? Collected by sweeping on July o1, 2006 at approximately same location (more open place, closer to the railroad). Size 3.5-4mm. Dmitry Gavryushin attached the following image:  [93.08Kb] |
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