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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 27-05-2006 18:05
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Prehistory. In 1987 Adrian Pont discribed new genus of Sepsidae - Susanomira caucasica (was found near Elbrus mount). Few years later Andrey Ozerov also found this speciec in another Caucas point and show that Susanomira lives at min alt 1600m, at cow dung. I decided that: 1. Susanomira has to be easily isolated in different mountan systems. 2. The Turkey is the best place to look for - I know some good roads in Turkey with passpoints above 1600m. So, this trip I find Susanomira. The main problem - cow dung, sheep or goat - in mass, cow - rare. Finaly I found some. On it some black Sepsis sp. and this yellow Sepsida. Susanomira has black point on wings too. It seems to me that yellow fly looks not as normal Sepsis - 2 rows ac, hairy thorax, general impression. I ask it because I havn't microscop with me, but I have yet possibility to search in some more places. So, please, wath do you think, is it Sepsis or not? (I can't say is strong seta on cx2 or not, my test it isn't as easy to find it even under microscop). Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [83.42Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 27-05-2006 19:11
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19250 Joined: 11.05.04 |
According to the Contributions to a Manual of Palaearctic Diptera, Susanomira has no black spots in the wing...
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 27-05-2006 20:01
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Pont & Meier 2002 (= Fauna Ent. Scand. Sepsidae) shows a strong dark shadow around the tip on R4+5 for S. caucasica. I do believe that this fly belongs to Sepsis (I hope I'm wrong - Nikita I hope you caught some for later identification). Leafing through the book mentioned above I found Sepsis pseudomonostigma Ursu to be the closest match. This species should have an all-black thorax but color is not a good character in Sepsidae. Edited by Kahis on 27-05-2006 20:02 Kahis |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 27-05-2006 20:48
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Thank you very much for your quick replies. 1. Several flies collected. 2. As my expirience shows, few hope you are wrong... Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 27-05-2006 21:39
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 Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3303 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Chins up, I hope your Susanomira's lurking somewhere to be captured! |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 28-05-2006 09:17
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 Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2126 Joined: 24.07.04 |
Hi, In Pont & Meier I read "Hind tibia without submedian setae" for Sepsis pseudomonostigma. Nikita's specimens (see first picture) seem to have submedian setae. Jan Willem |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 28-05-2006 10:29
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
So it has. My bad. Any better ideas?
Kahis |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 28-05-2006 10:36
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Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2126 Joined: 24.07.04 |
Hi Kahis, Better ideas? Yes! Let's ask Dr. Pont  !Jan Willem |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 28-05-2006 13:26
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
I asked Andrey Ozerov to visit us tomorrow, when hi come back Moscow. It has to help! Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 28-05-2006 16:09
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Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2126 Joined: 24.07.04 |
Hi Nikita, I indeed asked Dr. Pont who already sent an answer (I will send you his complete answer later). According to him it is probably Sepsis thoracica, but it is impossible to be certain without properly studying the specimen. Since you collected several specimens, studying them properly is just what you should do! Jan Willem |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 28-05-2006 20:08
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Thank you Jan and thank Dr. Pont, of course. By the way, 'most probably Sepsis thoracica' was also reply of Andrey Ozerov, to whom I shortly discribe the fly by mobile phone SMS letter. Tomorrow I'll try one more mountan place. Sorry, Jan, but so far no one Opomyzidae, as far as I can see using x5 lens. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| pierred |
Posted on 28-05-2006 21:18
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 Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1413 Joined: 21.04.05 |
Nikita, It's very funny to see your writing from Turkey with those i without dot. Pierre Duhem |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 29-05-2006 16:47
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Yes Pierre, normal 'i' is available too, but in unpropre place. So one out of two: whether I think what I write, or I think about real i position. After several hesitation I choised first possibility. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 05-06-2006 13:16
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Today I showed all collected turkish Sepsidae material to Andrey Ozerov. Sepsis thoracica appears the most common species. It is a pleasure if it is yellowish-grey with hiary scutum, so easily distinguish. Often it looks as "usual" Sepsis, but with sternopleuras dusted only in upper part. I add one more image of non-yellow S. thoracica. All good photos from this trip - S. thoracica. Also I collected: S. biflexuosa S. fulgens (swarm of thousands near flowing water at 2100m) S. luteipes S. nigripes - the more interesting, first registred in Turkey. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [71.11Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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