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 Tachina fera?
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| LordV |
Posted on 19-03-2006 19:06
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Anyone confirm ID of this one? about 11mm long taken today South coast uk. Brian V.  |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 19-03-2006 19:43
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I don't think so. I think Muscidae, Phaonia. Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| LordV |
Posted on 19-03-2006 20:48
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Thanks Nikita  didn't think the hairs around the bum were big enough for a Tachina sp. but nothing else close to it in my puny British insects book.Brian V. |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 20-03-2006 14:03
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 Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06 |
From my recent experiences in Essex, I agree - it will be one of the several species of Phaonia that have been emerging in the last couple of months here. The wretched things are the dipteran equivalent of LBJs in the birding world. I caught yet another species this weekend which will no doubt end up on this forum after I have gnashed my teeth at it for a suitable period and not come to a conclusion about species name. I get Tachina fera as well, but it is very much a summer species and looks about twice the size as Phaonia - much bigger and fatter (and hairier).
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 20-03-2006 14:31
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FYI: I think 'LBJ' means 'little brown job'. 
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 20-03-2006 17:34
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Susan R Walter wrote: From my recent experiences in Essex, I agree - it will be one of the several species of Phaonia that have been emerging in the last couple of months here. The wretched things are the dipteran equivalent of LBJs in the birding world. I caught yet another species this weekend which will no doubt end up on this forum after I have gnashed my teeth at it for a suitable period and not come to a conclusion about species name. I get Tachina fera as well, but it is very much a summer species and looks about twice the size as Phaonia - much bigger and fatter (and hairier). From your description and the time of year, I'd guess you have found a Gonia (Tachinidae). I checked a few relevant images found by a Google image search; they were (an almost unique occurence) correctly determined. Kahis |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 20-03-2006 17:57
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19133 Joined: 21.07.04 |
It's a bit early, even for Gonia, though it could be G. ornata. But let's start with the family, since Muscidae is more likely: Does vein M have a clear bent in the apical half of the wing ? If not, you have a Muscidae (or Anthomyiidae). Theo |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 23-03-2006 14:37
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Kahis, Theo I can't bear it!  Don't tell me I've been sucked in too, again, by the generalist guides! But are you sure my tachinids are going to be Gonia? They don't have the smacked in the face look of Gonia and do have yellow wing bases. They appear in my local cemetery park in numbers from May to September. I must admit I never captured one, I was just observing in the field last year, and I didn't have a key for tachinids. This year I have a key for the European species, so might make some progress.Brian - sorry for sidetracking the discussion somewhat from your pic, but I guess you get much the same species as me, so might also like to know the answer to this question as well. 
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| Kahis |
Posted on 23-03-2006 16:19
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Don't panic. If it does not match Gonia, then it isn't Gonia Without a photo we may not be able to say much more. "...the smacked in the face look of Gonia"  Can't argue with that description.
Edited by Kahis on 23-03-2006 16:20 Kahis |
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| Robert Nash |
Posted on 23-03-2006 17:30
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Member Location: Ulster Museum, Belfast, Ireland Posts: 288 Joined: 11.11.05 |
Nikita is right  This is a muscid Muscidae Either Phaonia or MydaeaRobert Edited by Robert Nash on 23-03-2006 17:30 |
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