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| sbushes |
Posted on 10-09-2024 11:20
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Iceland, near geothermal area - September 2024 Anyone have any ideas on possible genera for this one? --------------- sbushes attached the following image:  [133.26Kb] Edited by sbushes on 14-09-2024 12:56 |
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| sbushes |
Posted on 10-09-2024 11:20
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Posted on 10-09-2024 11:21
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Posted on 10-09-2024 11:21
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Posted on 10-09-2024 11:25
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Species list of Anthomyiidae for Iceland from National Institute only lists the following 10 genera as known to be here. Which genera can be ruled out ? ( if any ) : Alliopsis sepiella (Zetterstedt, 1845) Botanophila betarum (Lintner, 1883) Botanophila fugax (Meigen, 1826) Botanophila profuga (Stein, 1916) Botanophila rubrigena (Schnabl, 1915) Botanophila silvatica (Robineau-Desvoidy, 1830) Botanophila tuxeni (Ringdahl, 1953) Delia angustifrons (Meigen, 1826) Delia echinata (Séguy, 1923) Delia fabricii (Holmgren, 1872) Delia platura (Meigen, 1826) Delia radicum (Linnaeus, 1758) Delia setigera (Stein, 1920) Egle lyneborgi Ackland & Griffiths, 2003 Egle minuta (Meigen, 1826) Egle pilitibia (Ringdahl, 1918) Fucellia fucorum (Fallén, 1819) Fucellia maritima (Haliday, 1838) Hydrophoria albiceps (Meigen, 1826) Lasiomma picipes (Meigen, 1826) Lasiomma seminiditum (Zetterstedt, 1845) Pegomya bicolor (Wiedemann, 1817) Pegomya fulgens (Meigen, 1826) Pegomya furva Ringdahl, 1938 Pegomya icterica (Holmgren, 1873) Pegomya notabilis (Zetterstedt, 1846) Pegoplata infirma (Meigen, 1826) Zaphne ambigua (Fallén, 1823) Zaphne brunneifrons (Zetterstedt, 1838) Zaphne divisa (Meigen, 1826) Zaphne frontata (Zetterstedt, 1838) Zaphne subarctica (Ringdahl, 1918) Edited by sbushes on 10-09-2024 11:30 |
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| sbushes |
Posted on 10-09-2024 11:36
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...to show better protruding mouth edge
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| John Carr |
Posted on 10-09-2024 13:12
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| sbushes |
Posted on 10-09-2024 13:43
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Oh! Whoops. What have I missed that points to Muscidae not Anthomyiidae? I couldn´t make out the anal vein. -------------------------- In that case, the list of known Muscidae here is as follows Coenosia pumila (Fallén, 1825) Graphomya maculata (Scopoli, 1763) Helina annosa (Zetterstedt, 1836) Hydrotaea armipes (Fallén, 1825) Hydrotaea cristata Malloch, 1918 Hydrotaea dentipes (Fabricius, 1805) Limnophora pandellei Séguy, 1923 Limnophora riparia (Fallén, 1824) Limnophora sinuata Collin, 1930 Limnophora uniseta Stein, 1916 Lispe consanguinea Loew, 1858 Musca domestica Linnaeus, 1758 * Muscina stabulans (Fallén, 1817) Mydaea palpalis Stein, 1916 Myospila meditabunda (Fabricius, 1781) * Ophyra aenescens (Wiedemann, 1830) Phaonia errans (Meigen, 1826) Spilogona alpica (Zetterstedt, 1845) Spilogona baltica (Ringdahl, 1918) Spilogona contractifrons (Zetterstedt, 1838) Spilogona depressiuscula (Zetterstedt, 1838) Spilogona megastoma (Boheman, 1866) Spilogona micans (Ringdahl, 1918) Spilogona opaca (Schnabl, 1915) Spilogona pacifica (Meigen, 1826) Thricops cunctans (Meigen, 1826) Thricops longipes (Zetterstedt, 1845) Thricops rostratus (Meade, 1882) -------------------------- So maybe one of the Spilogona sp? Edited by sbushes on 10-09-2024 13:46 |
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| sbushes |
Posted on 10-09-2024 14:05
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If it is Spilogona, of the species known, comparing against BOLD systems images, S.alpica, S.baltica or S.micans seem closest. |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 10-09-2024 15:11
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There are 4 pairs of postsutural dorsocentrals. The very few Anthomyiidae with 4 pairs are very hairy. There is only one dorsal or posterodorsal bristle on the hind tibia. Very few Anthomyiidae have this character. There appear to be crossed interfrontal bristles, common in Anthomyiidae but mostly restricted to the tribe Azeliini in Muscidae. The small lower calypter is also typical for Anthomyiidae but found in a few Muscidae including members of tribe Azeliini. |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 10-09-2024 17:12
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Of the species you listed, I would first check Thricops rostratus which has a projecting chin. |
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| sbushes |
Posted on 11-09-2024 11:02
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Oh nice, yes. The chaetotaxy didn't look quite right for the similar Spilogona And none had the projecting chin in quite the same way Which seems distinctive Of the three Thricops on the list Thricops cunctans does not have the protruding chin Thricops longipes has thoracic marking In Steven Falk´s Flickr account for UK Muscidae he notes the other two Thricops with black legs and protruding chin in UK have a complete row of anteroventrals on hind femora. So this is concurrent with T.rostratus in regard to UK fauna too, with only 3-4 AVs. https://www.flick...297408293/ At a similar latitude in Norway there are two with distribution visible on ArtsDataBanken not present in UK list so not covered by Falk. T.lividiventris and T.furcatus. T.lividiventris doesn´t have the projecting chin. I am unable to find an image of T.furcatus yet. But T.rostratus is so common here in Iceland that it even warrants a common name - Trjónufluga https://www.ni.is...-rostratus So overall, seems very plausible. Thanks John Edited by sbushes on 11-09-2024 11:48 |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 11-09-2024 13:16
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John, You offered the probability. I have nothing to add.
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| sbushes |
Posted on 11-09-2024 16:42
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Thanks both. With regard to the possibility of T.furcatus which I couldn't rule out, Ian Andrews on iNaturalist said : "Yes, that looks to fit to me...the prealar bristle is definitely shorter than the posterior notopleural, which points to rostratus (at least from UK species). furcatus apparently has only 3 post-sutural DCs acc. Gregor et al. 2002 " |
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