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 [Clytocerus] Golden Psychodidae
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| JC_Bartolucci |
Posted on 14-04-2024 22:58
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Hi, This magnificent golden Psychodidae came on the trap during a nocturnal prospecting on the Mediterranean coast. On insecte.org we think of a Pneumia, perhaps P. nubila?  JC Bartolucci : France : Saint-Chamas : 13250 : 11/10/2023 Altitude : NR - Taille : 4 mm Réf. : 340451 Thanks in advance J.C. Edited by JC_Bartolucci on 20-10-2024 10:19 |
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| weia |
Posted on 14-04-2024 23:41
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The species I know are from a limited geographical range. I have not yet seen this species on a picture, but maybe a museum specimen fits, than it is genus Tonnoiriella. T. nigricauda is a possibilty, but not sure at all. |
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| weia |
Posted on 14-04-2024 23:42
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By the way: Pneumia nubila is very different. |
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| weia |
Posted on 14-04-2024 23:45
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Here you can download an incomplete field guide for Netherlnds and Belgium: https://at-a-lanta.nl/weia/Motmuggen.html Nigricauda is in it from the Bruxelles Museum. |
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| JC_Bartolucci |
Posted on 16-04-2024 22:32
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Thank you very much for the link to the documents which I did not know. Doing some research and I think I found: Tonnoiriella pulchra. |
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| weia |
Posted on 17-04-2024 00:04
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It is not pulchra, but maybe nigricauda. Compare the fringes of the wings. I do not know how many species of this genus live in the south of France. |
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| JC_Bartolucci |
Posted on 21-04-2024 12:08
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OK, thank you for your answers. I think it's best to stick to Tonnoiriella sp. The National Museum of Natural History mentions 4 species in France: Tonnoiriella fontinalis, Tonnoiriella nigricauda, Tonnoiriella pulchra, Tonnoiriella sieberti. J.C. Edited by JC_Bartolucci on 21-04-2024 12:22 |
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| weia |
Posted on 21-04-2024 19:23
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fontinalis and sieberti: I hav no idea how they look, so Tonnoiriella spec indeed is the best choice. |
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| JC_Bartolucci |
Posted on 21-04-2024 22:04
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On the other hand, the coloring of the legs (very ringed here) does not seem to correspond with Tonnoiriella. Also, on insecte.org, we will stick to Psychodinae. Thank you very much again for your answers. |
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| JC_Bartolucci |
Posted on 24-05-2024 22:00
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Hello, after further research, I think of Clytocerus: https://www.mindat.org/paleoimg.php?id=62276 https://www.biodiversidadvirtual.org/insectarium/Clytocerus-spec.-cat39047.html Edited by JC_Bartolucci on 24-05-2024 22:03 |
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| weia |
Posted on 24-05-2024 23:05
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The white spots on the wings are indeed Clytocerus-like. Normally the antennae of Clytocerus are very hairy, which is absent here. |
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| JC_Bartolucci |
Posted on 25-05-2024 22:13
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Among the transmitted links, we see that some individuals only have the beginnings of bushy antennae. I think the angle of the photo may hide these first antennal articles. Another criterion that matches is the rings on the legs. |
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| weia |
Posted on 31-05-2024 22:35
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After making your picture darker it becomes clear it's a Clytocerus, but not one of the four species from the Netherlands. It is very well possible that there are useful characteristics in leg colouring, but I have not (yet) studied that. In fact no one studies characteristics which are useful for identifying them from pictures, except me. The Spanish pictures you foudn are validated by me, as far as possible. There is very much work to do here! |
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| JC_Bartolucci |
Posted on 20-10-2024 10:28
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Thank you very much and congratulations for the heavy task in which you are engaged with the Psychodidae! |
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