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varganimrod	#1 Posted on 13-02-2023 16:23
Member Location: Posts: 776 Joined: 11.10.22	Hello! I found this today (February 13) in Austria, the height was 1,73 km approximately. I think, that this is a Calliphoridae species. So, thorax is blackish, abdomen is dark green, and arista is clearly hairy. Please, could you help me to identify this species? varganimrod attached the following image: [76.55Kb]


varganimrod	#2 Posted on 13-02-2023 16:23
Member Location: Posts: 776 Joined: 11.10.22	2 varganimrod attached the following image: [63.91Kb]


varganimrod	#3 Posted on 13-02-2023 16:24
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varganimrod	#4 Posted on 13-02-2023 16:24
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varganimrod	#5 Posted on 13-02-2023 16:24
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varganimrod	#6 Posted on 13-02-2023 16:25
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varganimrod	#7 Posted on 13-02-2023 16:26
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eklans	#8 Posted on 14-02-2023 13:52
Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 3414 Joined: 11.11.18	Hi, it's a demanding one! I think it's a Protocalliphora sp. but I'm familiar with P. azurea only - which does not match. I guess it could be a male P. peusi. (based on "Blow flies", Olga Sivell and "Blow flies of Fennoscandia", Knut Rognes) Greetings, Eric Kloeckner


varganimrod	#9 Posted on 14-02-2023 19:26
Member Location: Posts: 776 Joined: 11.10.22	Hello! Thank you very much! I expected Protocalliphora as well, but I had a problem with it. About my key, Protocalliphora has acrostichal bristles in the thorax, but in this specimen, I don’t see them. About my key, the genus Protophormia doesn’t have acrostichal bristles, but, the only species what occurs in Austria is terranovae, and this is surely not terranovae. Or did i miss something, and is there Protocalliphora with acrostichal bristles? Or P. peusi is a species, what doesn’t have these? Greetings, Nimród


eklans	#10 Posted on 15-02-2023 09:32
Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 3414 Joined: 11.11.18	Hello Nimród, P. peusi has acrs, too, and we don't see it. That led me to Protophormia firstly. The other Protophormia, atriceps, is an arctic species and is similiar in colour to terraenovae. Your image 4 shows the wings in a typical Protocalliphora fashion and the frons could be "twice the width of the ocellar triangle". On distribution: Rognes: P. peusi widely distributed in Europe (Peus, 1960, Schumnann, 1986) Sivell: P. peusi in A, CZ, SK, DE... (Draber-Mońko, 2004) Do you have more images (tibia 1 and 2 face with flash)? Greetings, Eric Kloeckner


varganimrod	#11 Posted on 15-02-2023 14:24
Member Location: Posts: 776 Joined: 11.10.22	Hello! Thank you! I have some pictures about tibiae: First tibia: varganimrod attached the following image: [73.74Kb]


varganimrod	#12 Posted on 15-02-2023 14:25
Member Location: Posts: 776 Joined: 11.10.22	First tibia as well: varganimrod attached the following image: [24.78Kb] Edited by varganimrod on 15-02-2023 14:26


varganimrod	#13 Posted on 15-02-2023 14:27
Member Location: Posts: 776 Joined: 11.10.22	Second tibia: varganimrod attached the following image: [41.84Kb]


eklans	#14 Posted on 15-02-2023 16:44
Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 3414 Joined: 11.11.18	Thanks, but unfortunately the resolution is not good enough to see the hairs on t3 or if there ae 1 or 2 pv bristles on t1. I've recognised another character in the Rognes key to point to P. peusi (plus others that don't appear in Austria): "Calypters, including morgins, rather pure white. But after all, it's not enough to name the species with confidence, I think. Especially because no acrs can be seen... Greetings, Eric Kloeckner


varganimrod	#15 Posted on 15-02-2023 17:24
Member Location: Posts: 776 Joined: 11.10.22	In picture 7 I see the white calypters. But, I understand if it is not enought, to name this species. Thank you very much for your help!


Paul Beuk	#16 Posted on 15-02-2023 18:06
Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19239 Joined: 11.05.04	Why not a Bellardia? Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info


eklans	#17 Posted on 15-02-2023 18:42
Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 3414 Joined: 11.11.18	As far as I know, Bellardia's frons is distinctly narrower and they hold there wings in delta-style like the other Calliphorinae. Edited by eklans on 15-02-2023 18:43 Greetings, Eric Kloeckner


Zeegers	#18 Posted on 21-02-2023 14:40
Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18532 Joined: 21.07.04	It cries out Protophormia all over to me - which makes also more sense given date. Yes, the calypters looks white, but they can seem quite light from a distance in Protophormia. And ACR are lacking, as already observed by all of you. A close-up of the calypters might help. Theo


varganimrod	#19 Posted on 21-02-2023 17:23
Member Location: Posts: 776 Joined: 11.10.22	Hello! Thank you! I’m sorry, but I have just this from the calypter, in this picture they are maybe visible. So, if this is a Protophormia sp, why it has as black colour? Because I haven’t seen any Protophormia in the internet, what has as dark and blackish colour. Or is this maybe an abberration? varganimrod attached the following image: [56.23Kb]


Zeegers	#20 Posted on 22-02-2023 11:32
Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18532 Joined: 21.07.04	i’m not sure which pictures you are looking at, but Protophormia ismuch darker than (most) Protocalliphora. For instance https://diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=5829 and these calypters are definitely not white …. Theo

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