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| johnes81 |
Posted on 03-08-2019 14:49
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 Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
Berlin - October 2017 Hello everyone, I photographed this fly around the time i photographed a Scathophaga species. I found it sitting on a leaf in the grass. I didn't get very nice photos but hopefully good enough to get a family and possible a genus. I really don't know what it could be and i am a bit tired today. I'd rather post and see if anyone can help. Thank you very much, John johnes81 attached the following image:  [148.11Kb] Edited by johnes81 on 03-08-2019 18:44 John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| Jan Maca |
Posted on 03-08-2019 18:36
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Member Location: Posts: 1170 Joined: 25.03.10 |
From what I can see in the photos it could be an ephydrid. |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 03-08-2019 18:44
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
I was wondering about Ephydridae but i don't see anything similar. The wing veins seem very dark so perhaps i need to key it. Thank you very much, Jan! you are a big help. 
John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 03-08-2019 21:19
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 Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 9934 Joined: 22.10.10 |
Subfamily Ephydrinae (lateroclinate frontal bristles) |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 03-08-2019 21:42
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
Thank you, John I was looking at this subfamily earlier. I wish that i had a specimen because it is difficult to key. I don't see the extra bristle near the arista so i think that Setacera is out. I notice a greenish tinge to the thorax, so i wonder if it could be Paracoenia fumosa. atleast i know where to start if i get a specimen. Thank you very much for all of the help. I am happy to place this in a family and a subfamily. I am thankful for diptera.info and all of its members. We have a great community here of common interest
John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 03-08-2019 21:54
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
so i was moving the photos into a folder named Ephydrinae and i found a few extra photos. Also not very good but we can see that the haltere is brownish orange. I can also see the arista to confirm that it is not Setacera. I will definitely try to find this again. October is only a few months away  Thanks again! johnes81 attached the following image:  [91.73Kb] John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 03-08-2019 23:11
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 Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7196 Joined: 19.11.04 |
Coenia, and from the colour of the abdomen and halteres, I would say C. palustris
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 04-08-2019 11:40
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
Hello Tony, Thank you very much for the reply. I wrote it down as C. palustris. I've not seen this before and i cannot recall seeing it since these photos. I will try to find it again and make better photos. If i remember correctly, it was a windy day when i made the photos. Much appreciated, John John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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