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 Eriothrix? Schineria tergestina?! Brachymera letochai!!!
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| picotverd |
Posted on 24-08-2011 23:19
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31/07/2011 spanish pyrenees
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| picotverd |
Posted on 24-08-2011 23:20
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another view
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| picotverd |
Posted on 24-08-2011 23:21
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 25-08-2011 01:44
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
the head on this is very, very odd... I hope you did collect this.. |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 25-08-2011 10:17
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 Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Yes, from this angle it isn't a typical Eriothrix ... so it would be useful to see the specimen 
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| neprisikiski |
Posted on 26-08-2011 13:39
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Member Location: Lithuania Posts: 876 Joined: 23.02.09 |
I think, Schineria tergestina.
Erikas |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 26-08-2011 13:47
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Wow ... never even heard of that one 
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 26-08-2011 14:05
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Thank you neprisikiski! At this place from National Parc d'Aďguestortes i could not collect. I will demand a permission for next year (I just have for Odonata). I must say that the same day about 1 hour later i found a very rare orthopter called Bohemanella frigida wich is a boreal relicted as may be it is this fly (?). I add another detail.... picotverd attached the following image:  [29.34Kb] Edited by picotverd on 26-08-2011 14:06 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 26-08-2011 14:17
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
i'll go there with you Rámon and Isidro in the next year.  Ask really for Diptera permission, please. If the species confirms, this is a new record for Iberian Peninsula and worthy a publication on it. Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 26-08-2011 14:20 |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 26-08-2011 14:27
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This is 2 or maybe 3 Oporto wine... A photo from the habitat... with the iphone picotverd attached the following image:  [109.19Kb] |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 26-08-2011 14:33
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
deal.  I have 5 bottles here ready. 
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 26-08-2011 14:33 |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 26-08-2011 14:35
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A better view from the flora with the mobile...
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 26-08-2011 14:39
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I do not remember that we visit this place... I know we were in this "parc" but we did not visit slopes.  Next time. Yeah, I really must go every year to Pyrynees. |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 26-08-2011 15:29
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Looks a really beautiful habitat ... you need to arrange perpetual collecting permits because you will be going back there a lot!
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 27-08-2011 16:55
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18785 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I think Erikas is right here, excellent call Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 27-08-2011 17:53
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Submit it for the gallery and ask for permission for the parc! I will assist you, Rámon. Now you have two publications to do. Congrats. |
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| nick upton |
Posted on 27-08-2011 18:04
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Member Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 819 Joined: 12.03.10 |
it's a pretty place in winter too.... but maybe not so good for insects then! I hope you get collecting permission OK. The park was helpful to me a couple of years ago and allowed filming permission/ access at short notice (unlike Ordesa....).
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 27-08-2011 18:23
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Ordesa y Monte Perdido? ... very hard to obtain a permission there. |
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| nick upton |
Posted on 27-08-2011 18:31
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Member Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 819 Joined: 12.03.10 |
Yes.... and the response was rude and dismissive... despite the application coming from a prestigious production company with a 50 year plus track record... We wanted to film Lammergeier vultures in Ordesa and Monte Perdido park, and it was a big NO. But we filmed them anyway, lots of them... just outside the park near Revilla above Escuain gorge. A fabulous area and I've been back since to hike in the summer. I'd like to go back and to Aiguestortes too. Hope you get to go.
Nick Upton - naturalist and photographer |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 13-08-2012 13:42
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Nick.. that is not a surprise to me. The permissions are more for getting money.. than to protect really the places. I have seen so many "protetect places" and in 100 m there are buildings... Well, I'm sorry to say but the above fly is not a Schineria tergestina.... It is another genus. It is a Brachymera letochai... According to the Tschorsnig : "Brachymera letochai, no doubt. Schineria tergestina differs (in the characters which can be seen on the photos - there are more differences of course) from Brachymera letochai by the elongated first and second aristal segments, the elongated pedicel (only slightly shorter than the first flagellomere), the different shape of the head (frons not prominent at antennal base, upper part of back of head less convex), shorter thoracic and abdominal bristles (which are very long and strong in Brachymera)." Also check this thread: http://diptera.in...d_id=49368 Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 13-08-2012 14:18 |
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