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Scathophagidae -> no, Dryomyzidae (new photo)
Carnifex
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Posted on 06-02-2020 20:11
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Hi, I need help with ID here. Vienna, early Feb in a vinegar trap

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Edited by Carnifex on 14-02-2020 20:38
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An acalyptrate fly, possibly superfamily Sciomyzoidea.
 
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Dryomyzidae
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Thanks guys! I am struggling with the term 'setulose' - does it mean 'hairy'? Because with R1 not setulose, prescutellar ac and strong postgenal bristles I reach Pseudoneuroctena senilis. But I am hesitant, as this would be a new species for Austria, apparently. So rather a Dryomyza (flaveola)?

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The last wing image shows the tip of the subcosta, not of R1 so I dare not say with any certainty whether the tip of R1 is setulose or not (there should be a few in senilis). Setulosa means with small setae.
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I intentionally took the frame of R1 together with subcosta, because there the small hairs on R1 could be seen best. I was not going for the tip of R1 because in the key it says 'Vein R1 setose along length'.
So now I know that these small hairs are not the feature to look at.

I won't have time to provide more photos until next week. Thanks for helping out so far!
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R1 looks setulose to me, but the setulae are broken off. You can still see the pores of implantation (I think)
Is it from a malaise trap or so ?

Theo
 
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Sorry, I just red vinegar trap. That might explain the poor condition
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Yes Theo, in total I caught 10 individuals.
Maybe I find one with intact setulae, but I agree that on the 'whole wing' image there are pores visible where the setae broke off.
So a Dryomyza species.
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Carnifex wrote:
Yes Theo, in total I caught 10 individuals.
Maybe pop one specimen in the mail? Wink
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Here we have the prove: bristles on R1. So does it make it D. anilis?

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D. anlis should have them along the whole length of R1. The picture only shows support for Pseudoneuroctena senilis, I think.
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Thanks, Paul. I like that conclusion.
Do you want to get some specimens?
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Hi Carnifex,

Could I get a few (male) specimens as well? Then I can compare them with my Mongolian material I collected last august...

Kind regards,

Ectemnius
 
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Carnifex wrote:
Thanks, Paul. I like that conclusion.
Do you want to get some specimens?
Certainly, thx. Smile
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