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Helina ?
Pierre55	#1 Posted on 23-10-2007 19:10
Member Location: Belgium (Héron) Posts: 150 Joined: 11.08.07	Can't do the difference between Helina and Phaonia... But if I have to choose, it would be Helina. Right ? Thanks in advance Pierre55 attached the following image: [169.3Kb] Pierre OGER 4217 H?ron (BELGIUM)


jorgemotalmeida	#2 Posted on 23-10-2007 19:16
Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06	Phaonia sp. ..


Susan R Walter	#3 Posted on 23-10-2007 19:16
Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06	Don't think so. I think with that orange scutellum it's more likely to be Phaonia, but there are a couple of other Muscidae genera it could be too. Susan


jorgemotalmeida	#4 Posted on 23-10-2007 19:17
Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06	another telepathy! we must open a thread for telepathic cases.


Stephane Lebrun	#5 Posted on 23-10-2007 20:26
Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07	I would have said Mydaea corni... Stephane.


Susan R Walter	#6 Posted on 23-10-2007 21:14
Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06	Stephane Yes, I was thinking Mydaea as a possibility. Susan


Stephane Lebrun	#7 Posted on 23-10-2007 21:25
Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07	I'm still beginner in Muscidae, it's just my favourite family of the moment, so a confirmation would have been welcome Stephane.


Susan R Walter	#8 Posted on 23-10-2007 22:06
Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06	Sorry Stephane - don't know enough myself to confirm but it was actually the first thing that popped into my mind when I saw the picture, and that can be a good sign, if a bit jizzy for some Susan


Susan R Walter	#9 Posted on 24-10-2007 12:48
Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06	I think we need Uncle Jere to pronounce on this one please Susan


Pierre55	#10 Posted on 26-10-2007 19:12
Member Location: Belgium (Héron) Posts: 150 Joined: 11.08.07	Anyone to confirm ? Pierre OGER 4217 H?ron (BELGIUM)


Xespok	#11 Posted on 26-10-2007 21:07
Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5551 Joined: 02.03.05	It certainly is very similar to M. corni. But for some strange reason I would still hesitate to name this a Mydaea. Somehow my feeling is that this fly belongs to Phaoniinae. Mydaea should have a shinier appearance. Gabor Keresztes Japan Wildlife Gallery Carpathian Basin Wildlife Gallery


Pierre55	#12 Posted on 26-10-2007 21:15
Member Location: Belgium (Héron) Posts: 150 Joined: 11.08.07	If the count is correct, they are 3 people to name it Phaonia for 1 to Mydaea. Let's then go for Phaonia sp Pierre OGER 4217 H?ron (BELGIUM)


Nikita Vikhrev	#13 Posted on 28-10-2007 17:02
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9475 Joined: 24.05.05	If the count is correct, they are 3 people to name it Phaonia for 1 to Mydaea. Let's then go for Phaonia It is the case when 1 more than 3 We have 2 possibilities from 2 different subfamily Phaoniinae and Mydaeinae. Characters to separate this subfamilies are unvisible. But if Phaoniinae - than Ph.errans (5% Ph.valida), if Mydaeinae - M.corni. We can compare this two possible females. Scutellum of Ph.errans yellowish on tip and dusted on disk, disk of scutellum with stronger setae, abdomen rather greyish than yellowish dusted. So, female of Mydaea corni. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


Stephane Lebrun	#14 Posted on 28-10-2007 23:07
Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07	Many thanks for the confirmation Nikita. Stephane.


Pierre55	#15 Posted on 02-11-2007 17:41
Member Location: Belgium (Héron) Posts: 150 Joined: 11.08.07	Also my thanks Nikita for the ID And congratulations to Stephane who was alone against the rest of the world... Pierre OGER 4217 H?ron (BELGIUM)