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 Mintho praceps?
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| zcuc |
Posted on 20-10-2007 19:19
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
Also called Musca compressa? Israel today. Found inside the house. zcuc attached the following image:  [55.78Kb] Edited by zcuc on 20-10-2007 19:24 |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 20-10-2007 19:31
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 Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Not sure about either names you're using but it is certainly a Mintho sp. Would be nice to be able to key it though because it doesn't look typical for M.rufiventris - did you take a specimen? |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 21-10-2007 01:17
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
No specimen and no good images either. but this is not the first time see those flies. I guess they are relative common in this area. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 21-10-2007 08:48
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18829 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Zcuc is correct Theo |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 21-10-2007 10:04
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Interesting species - would be nice to see it under the microscope for the differences.  Theo: are we likely to get this species in Central Europe now or is it mainly Middle Eastern or Asian? |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 22-10-2007 20:59
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18829 Joined: 21.07.04 |
NO, its very southern, essential a north African / Middle east species, that is easily found (well, Chris, maybe not by you, given your Mintho-score) on the Canary Isles, for instance. Can be found in Sicily, Crete, and undoubtedly also on the main land of Europe, but southern. Theo |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 22-10-2007 23:17
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
The only specimen I have of Mintho rufiventris came from a window in the south of France ... I am destined to be a Mintho-expert in photos only  |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 25-10-2007 08:20
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
I had submited this Tachinidae to the gallery as Mintho praceps, Fabricius, 1787 and now I can see it's name changed to Mintho praeceps, Scopoli, 1763 Which name is currect? Edited by zcuc on 25-10-2007 08:20 |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 25-10-2007 09:12
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19380 Joined: 11.05.04 |
The name in the Gallery.
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 25-10-2007 23:54
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
How is it possible to tell between M.praceps and M.praeceps? |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 26-10-2007 00:12
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
I don't have a checklist of names that cover your part of the world but they seem just to be synonyms for the same fly. In general ICZN takes the oldest name for the same species so "praeceps Scopoli, 1763" takes precidence over "praceps Fabricius, 1787". |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 26-10-2007 00:16
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
ICZN - International Code Zoological Nomenclature  -- site here >>http://www.iczn.o.../index.jsp Good readings. If you have insomnias, this is a good book. No. The manual is really interesting! |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 26-10-2007 00:49
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
Theo once told me to check names in BDWD site. I found both sp. as valid names http://www.sel.ba...253&-find= http://www.sel.ba...254&-find= So if they both the same sp. but has two valid names, I guess this site is not very up to date? |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 26-10-2007 01:10
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Well, assuming they do actually refer to the same thing then I'd say praeceps should be the valid name and praceps should be the synonym ... but lets wait for Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 26-10-2007 07:47
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18829 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I have never heard of praceps, other then in the link above. It must be a typo of that website. If possibile, please report it as such. Theo |
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