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 Fly with grey-black body => Ravinia sp?
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| WHoelzel |
Posted on 11-08-2019 13:29
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Member Location: Posts: 10 Joined: 10.06.19 |
Hello, Photo is a stack from 15 images. Found in Messtischplatte: 7124 (Germany) 11.08.2019 Altitude: 530 Thank you and Kind Regards. WHoelzel attached the following image:  [246.24Kb] Edited by WHoelzel on 11-08-2019 17:33 |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 11-08-2019 17:19
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 Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
Hello WHoelzel, I don't know the genus but it is not Sarcophaga, so no it isn't S. carnaria. I only know about Sarcophaga genus, so i cannot help any further. Best wishes, John John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| WHoelzel |
Posted on 11-08-2019 17:25
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Member Location: Posts: 10 Joined: 10.06.19 |
Hello John, thank you for your answer and your help. Better I change the topic. Kind regards, Wolfram |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 11-08-2019 17:25
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
Ravinia sp?
John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 11-08-2019 17:34
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
Hello Wolfram, I am happy to help. Just to be clear: it is Sarcophagidae sp but not one from the genus Sarcophaga and particularly Sarcophaga (Sarcophaga). I think that it could be a Ravinia sp (Sarcophagidae), Best wishes, John John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| WHoelzel |
Posted on 11-08-2019 17:34
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Member Location: Posts: 10 Joined: 10.06.19 |
Thank you for your suggestion.  |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 11-08-2019 17:48
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
Hello Wolfram, i can't see any presutural acrostichals. Ravinia is supposed to have strong presutural acrostichals. Do you have any other angles of this female? preferably dorsal? if this is a Ravinia sp, then there is only one species in the Old World: Ravinia pernix. Maybe someone can confirm this or offer a better suggestion. Best of luck, John Edited by johnes81 on 11-08-2019 17:48 John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| WHoelzel |
Posted on 11-08-2019 18:42
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Member Location: Posts: 10 Joined: 10.06.19 |
johnes81 wrote: Do you have any other angles of this female? preferably dorsal? No, unfortunately not. 3 different stack, but it seems the same ankle. I was so concentrated to make a perfect stack to forget to make other images. Thank you for your help. WHoelzel attached the following image:  [277.96Kb] |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 11-08-2019 19:02
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 Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 10176 Joined: 22.10.10 |
The arrangement of lower frontal setae is different in Ravinia and Sarcophaga. The rows may be nearly parallel and ending near base of antennae (Ravinia) or abruptly divergent and continuing below base of antennae (Sarcophaga). Also, Ravinia does not have a strong row of parafacial setae near eye. |
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| johnes81 |
Posted on 11-08-2019 19:23
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Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16 |
John Carr wrote: Also, Ravinia does not have a strong row of parafacial setae near eye. Hello John, that is what i am trying to find with no luck. Thanks for the info. I don't have much of a description for Ravinia so i'm a bit in the dark. Your post is very helpful. So, Wolfram, i don't know what it could be. I lack knowledge of many Sarcophagidae. Perhaps someone will be able to recognize it. Meantime, i will continue trying to learn more about this family. Best wishes, John John and Nini. Naturalists not experts. |
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| WHoelzel |
Posted on 11-08-2019 19:48
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Member Location: Posts: 10 Joined: 10.06.19 |
Hi John & John! Thank you very much for your help. I am really clueless of all the different Brachycera. I have also to google (ecosia) the termini you use and learn a lot. Kind regards, Wolfram |
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