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 [Agria sp.] Head of Sarcophaga
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| pierred |
Posted on 22-09-2007 06:24
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 Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1437 Joined: 21.04.05 |
Hello, I even managed to get the head of this Sarcophaga sp. reasonnably sharp, but in vivo. Just for the fun. pierred attached the following image:  [95.89Kb] Edited by pierred on 11-12-2007 07:48 Pierre Duhem |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 22-09-2007 10:43
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
great photo, pierred.  tr?s bien! I took another one... but for these kind of photos, Black is the master. jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [194.93Kb] |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 01-10-2007 10:43
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
I doubt this is Sarcophaga sp. Do you have pictures of thorax and abdomen? Liekele |
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| pierred |
Posted on 02-10-2007 06:40
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Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1437 Joined: 21.04.05 |
Liekele, Here is a picture of the whole fly. pierred attached the following image:  [80.95Kb] Pierre Duhem |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 03-10-2007 09:30
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
This is a female of Agria (Sarcophagidae, Paramacronychiinae). In Europe three species. For identification we need to investigate / dissect the postabdomen. If the specimen has been bred, hostname might help further identification. Liekele |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 03-10-2007 09:39
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Paramacronychiinae, is this subfamily parasitoid???  Definitely flies are amazing!  |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 03-10-2007 11:51
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
Is this subfamily parasitoid? Some of them are, some aren't. But I assume this subfamily to be paraphyletic. For example: Agria is parasitoid on lepidoptera and some symphyta. Some Brachicoma in nests of Bombus. Sarcotachina on eggs of Acridoidea. Nyctia from snails. Wohlfahrtia nekrophag, myiasis or parasite of mammals. Liekele |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 03-10-2007 12:40
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 Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5550 Joined: 02.03.05 |
Liekele, what features made you think that this is not a Sarcophaginae fly. I would have classed this a Sarcophaga sp without hesitation. It appears that the situation is far more complex than I thought.
Gabor Keresztes Japan Wildlife Gallery Carpathian Basin Wildlife Gallery |
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| pierred |
Posted on 04-10-2007 05:48
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Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1437 Joined: 21.04.05 |
Hello, Well, Gabor took the words out of my mouth... Xespok wrote: I would have classed this a Sarcophaga sp without hesitation. It appears that the situation is far more complex than I thought. Thanks for the identification as Agria sp.. The fly was not collected. Edited by pierred on 04-10-2007 05:49 Pierre Duhem |
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| pierred |
Posted on 11-12-2007 07:48
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Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1437 Joined: 21.04.05 |
Hello, I'm sorting some older photos and looking at this Sarcophagidae, I'm asking myself if it could not be another Agria sp. pierred attached the following image:  [84.32Kb] Pierre Duhem |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 12-12-2007 18:53
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18832 Joined: 21.07.04 |
No, this is clearly a Sarcophaga s.l. Very difficult to explain why.The bristles on the parafacialia are differently placed, the face is yellowish (whitish is very unusual in Sarcophaga) and the abdomen is more elongated, whereas Agria is slightly more Muscid-like. Agreed, all very subtle. Theo |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 13-12-2007 01:22
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I've been losing sleep over this one -  I'm really not convinced that this is an Agria. Pierre's photos show a fly that is quite unlike the Agria in http://www.dipter...ad_id=8185 (which I am happy is an Agria). Pape clearly states that Agria has black occipital and postgenal hairs, which this clearly doesn't. I suspect Pierre's fly is a male (look at those pulvilli!) Sarcophaga (Bercaea) africa. I shall be away for a few days, so shall be interested to see what opinions there are on my return! 
Edited by Tony Irwin on 13-12-2007 01:23 Tony ---------- Tony Irwin |
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| pierred |
Posted on 13-12-2007 06:34
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Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1437 Joined: 21.04.05 |
Hello, Thanks to both of you for your comments. Pierre Duhem |
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| zcuc |
Posted on 13-12-2007 09:39
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Member Location: Israel Posts: 492 Joined: 08.10.07 |
The thorax looks a bit bald? In my recent S.africa it has few long bristles on it. Is it just a photo problem? |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 13-12-2007 12:17
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
I've been losing sleep over this one - I'm really not convinced that this is an Agria. ... Pape clearly states that Agria has black occipital and postgenal hairs, which this clearly doesn't. Now I feel guilty. You're right, this is not Agria. I was mistaken by calling it Agria. It is Sarcophaginae after all. But I do not know which one without genitalia. . I suspect Pierre's fly is a male (look at those pulvilli!) Sarcophaga (Bercaea) africa.[/ Maybe. It is not Agria. And it is different from first specimen with beautifull picture of head. Liekele |
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| pierred |
Posted on 14-12-2007 07:12
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Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1437 Joined: 21.04.05 |
Hello, Don't be sorry, all of you. I'm the only culprit, having thought that this could be the same species. Pierre Duhem |
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