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Pseudolyciella pallidiventris query
johnes81	#1 Posted on 31-05-2018 21:35
Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16	female - 4.5mm - Berlin - May 2018 is the specimen in the attached photo similar to Lyciella pallidiventris? what is the deal with this Pseudolyciella and everywhere people spewing the words 'Pseudolyciella pallidiventris group'? so let's see: Lyciella pallidiventris and two others (stylata and ?) have been separated into a separate genus named Pseudolyciella? then all three are labeled Pseudolyciella pallidiventris group? is there a document discussing this genus? furthermore, are we back to 'females cannot be identified'? so this specimen requires dna? Thank you for your time. Edited by johnes81 on 07-04-2020 10:46 John and Nini. Naturalists not experts.


Paul Beuk	#2 Posted on 01-06-2018 08:20
Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19244 Joined: 11.05.04	The species of the 'Pseudolyciella pallidiventris group' were transferred from Meoisimyza (formerly Lyciella) quite some time back. Females of the three species (your ? is subpallidiventris) cannot be separated. The male genitalia seem to be variable and that leaves doubt about the validity of the three sp[ecies. Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info


johnes81	#3 Posted on 01-06-2018 09:03
Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1978 Joined: 15.10.16	I leave taxonomy to taxonomists. I just want to know what it is scientifically. I really like this fly. She is very lovely. I want to give it a correct name. I've done dna with spiders before. I kept the spider in a freezer at -18 degress celsius. I placed two legs in ethanol a few weeks later and shipped it off to a lab in Munich. The price is expensive around 100 euro. It is extremely expensive if you think about 500 specimens multiplied by 100. Yikes! dna should be used sparingly. I have been investigating a dna kit to do it myself. I found an intraspecific variation of a spider, which is nice to know. I also have the genitalia to accompany the dna results. Thank you, Paul for clarifying the matter. I suppose i'll have to use dna to name this fly. Although, i do suspect that the species should be pallidiventris. John and Nini. Naturalists not experts.