Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Anthomyiidae: Pegomya sp.
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| Tony T |
Posted on 21-08-2007 01:07
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 Member Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 664 Joined: 08.02.07 |
20 August 2007, New Brunswick, Canada. Suburban garden. Legth: 7 mm. I'm thinkimg Sciomyzidae Tony T attached the following image:  [81.44Kb] Edited by Tony T on 20-08-2008 00:46 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-08-2007 01:12
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
this is not sciomyzid... |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 21-08-2007 07:27
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Muscidae...
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| Tony T |
Posted on 21-08-2007 14:29
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Member Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 664 Joined: 08.02.07 |
Thanks Jorge & Paul. I must show more respect for muscids, I thought they were all non-descript grey flies. |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 21-08-2007 14:37
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Have a look in the Gallery and you will see some nice examples not fitting your previous concept of Muscidae. 
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| Kahis |
Posted on 21-08-2007 16:00
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
O suspect this one is in fact an anthomyiid...
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 21-08-2007 16:43
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9491 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Tony, could we see more hind legs?
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| Tony T |
Posted on 22-08-2007 13:34
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Member Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 664 Joined: 08.02.07 |
Looked at Muscid page - some attractive flies; I'm always learning. Surely not another "damned anthomyiid" in another "damned genus"  To photograph a hind leg I would have to remove one, relax it, and flatten it. Could you tell me what you are looking for  |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 22-08-2007 18:20
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9491 Joined: 24.05.05 |
The choise is between Pegomya, Thricops, Phaonia... Well: 1. Is vien R4+5 setulose basally? 2. How many pd on t3? 3. Is there small v seta on very base of hind basytarsus? 4. How long vein A? 5. Is scutellum fine hairy ventrally? Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Tony T |
Posted on 22-08-2007 20:23
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Member Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 664 Joined: 08.02.07 |
Thanks, I wish I hadn't asked Will check out all 5, once I work out what a pd on t3 is. Tabanids are so easy  |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 22-08-2007 20:26
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9491 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 22-08-2007 20:39
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
pd = posterodorsal, meaning posterodorsal setae.
Edited by Paul Beuk on 22-08-2007 20:42 Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Tony T |
Posted on 24-08-2007 01:50
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Member Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 664 Joined: 08.02.07 |
Nikita Vikhrev wrote: The choise is between Pegomya, Thricops, Phaonia... Well: 1. Is vien R4+5 setulose basally? 2. How many pd on t3? 3. Is there small v seta on very base of hind basytarsus? 4. How long vein A? 5. Is scutellum fine hairy ventrally? 1 No 2 4 or 5, see diagram 3 No 4 Reaches wing margin 5 No Tony T attached the following image:  [17.91Kb] |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 24-08-2007 07:39
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9491 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Nice Job, Tony 5. If 2 strong setae on middle of your diagram is pd - than correct answer is 2pd + 2ad (last (3-d) pd - (pre)apical). Anyway your diagram is very usefull - it shows "Angthomyiidae type" on t3 Along with other points it seems to my that Kahis was right - Anthomyiidae, probably Pegomya. Kahis? Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 24-08-2007 09:13
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Yes, I agree, Kahis was right as usual
Edited by Kahis on 24-08-2007 09:13 Kahis |
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| Tony T |
Posted on 24-08-2007 18:11
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Member Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 664 Joined: 08.02.07 |
Nikita Vikhrev wrote: Nice Job, Tony 5. If 2 strong setae on middle of your diagram is pd - than correct answer is 2pd + 2ad (last (3-d) pd - (pre)apical). Anyway your diagram is very usefull - it shows "Angthomyiidae type" on t3 Along with other points it seems to my that Kahis was right - Anthomyiidae, probably Pegomya. Kahis? Nikita OK, 2pd and 2ad, didn't realize there was a 3-d pd: Saw Paul's ref. to pd, thought I understood it and then forgot all about the ad's With all my fancy photo equipment thought that I should be able to get a decent photo; seems OK but not entirely satisfied. Thank you all for your comments. Tony T attached the following image:  [66.17Kb] |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 24-08-2007 18:38
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9491 Joined: 24.05.05 |
3. Is there small v seta on very base of hind basytarsus? and we can see this seta on your photo
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 24-08-2007 20:14
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
The correct spelling would be basitarsus, often also named metatarsus but officially named as first tarsomere.
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