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 Eristalis from southern Germany
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| Markus |
Posted on 16-07-2016 07:13
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Member Location: Berlin Posts: 30 Joined: 11.07.16 |
Hello, could you help me to identify the animal? Found on 14. July 2016, Stuttgart, Germany. There are these common ("officially recorded") Eristalis species in this area you can select from :) Eristalis alpinus (Panzer, 1798) Eristalis arbustorum (Linnaeus, 1758) Eristalis cryptarum (Fabricius, 1794) Eristalis horticola (De Geer, 1776) Eristalis interruptus (Poda, 1761) Eristalis intricarius (Linnaeus, 1758) Eristalis jugorum Egger, 1858 Eristalis pertinax (Scopoli, 1763) Eristalis piceus (Fallén, 1817) Eristalis rupium Fabricius, 1805 Eristalis similis (Fallén, 1817) Eristalis tenax (Linnaeus, 1758) Markus attached the following image:  [157.63Kb] Edited by Markus on 16-07-2016 07:21 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 16-07-2016 09:34
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Eristalis interrupta.
Stephane. |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 17-07-2016 13:52
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 Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3939 Joined: 28.07.07 |
Can E. jugorum be excluded for sure? The dark wing markings may be really faint. Compare discussion in http://www.dipter...;pid=50661...
Edited by Sundew on 17-07-2016 13:52 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 17-07-2016 18:33
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
The pterostigma is very small and squared, the wing marking seem really absent (and the abdomen is very typical of this species), but a profile view could reassure everyone...
Stephane. |
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| Markus |
Posted on 18-07-2016 10:04
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Member Location: Berlin Posts: 30 Joined: 11.07.16 |
Thanks for identification and discussion! I see there is some uncertainty and you are focussed now on two species.  There is no profile view available, sorry. Here are some more wing details that might be helpful.
Markus attached the following image:  [176.2Kb] |
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| ValerioW |
Posted on 18-07-2016 11:23
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 Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
Stephane, I think that the pterostigma spot is too short for a E. similis this is Markus' fly ValerioW attached the following image:  [123.31Kb] Edited by ValerioW on 18-07-2016 11:29 |
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| ValerioW |
Posted on 18-07-2016 11:25
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Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
While this is how a E. similis should look like (taken from hoverfly gallery) Pterostigma is really longer. From the first picture was near impossible to check it fully (and I was sure too about similis), but zooming it there's no dubt. ValerioW attached the following image:  [74.86Kb] Edited by ValerioW on 18-07-2016 11:29 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 18-07-2016 12:02
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
I never mentionned E. similis, but thanks anyway.
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| Sundew |
Posted on 18-07-2016 12:07
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Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3939 Joined: 28.07.07 |
Well, with "Eristalis cf. interrupta" you are on the safe side... |
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| ValerioW |
Posted on 18-07-2016 12:25
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Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
Stephane Lebrun wrote: I never mentionned E. similis, but thanks anyway. Sorry! I was checking Eristalis interrupta compared to jugorum, but reading species descriptions I made some laps and I assumed you were talking about similis. Anyways, zooming, it appeared that dark clouding in the wing, and doesn't sound very likely for a interrupta...of course, the clouding isn't very dense. |
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