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 Phaonia mediterranea?
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| Miguel Berkemeier |
Posted on 09-04-2016 18:10
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 Member Location: Portugal (PT) Posts: 62 Joined: 04.12.13 |
(Costa de Caparica, Portugal - 4/04/2016   |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 09-04-2016 20:40
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Why not Ph. errans or Ph. valida?
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 09-04-2016 22:15
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 Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3123 Joined: 19.06.07 |
It was me who suggested the possibility of this belonging to the species P. mediterranea, but I told Miguel that I couldn't be sure because it is not possible to see the ventral side of the radial node. So I told Miguel to put the pictures here. I don't know if it is possible to know the species from the pictures. I guess it is more likelly that it belongs to the species you mentioned Nikita, I don't know how rare P. mediterranea is.  |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 09-04-2016 22:56
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
P. mediterranea is less common than Ph. errans or Ph. valida, so we should start with more probable possibilities 
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 09-04-2016 23:05
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Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3123 Joined: 19.06.07 |
Nikita Vikhrev wrote: P. mediterranea is less common than Ph. errans or Ph. valida, so we should start with more probable possibilities Yes, definitely. I was reading about these species and I think this is not P. valida because the female of that species does not have interfrontal bristles and in this pictures they are present, I think (on facebook the pictures are bigger and it is easier to see). Also in P. valida the basal segments of the antennae are yellow, and here they seem to be dark. Maybe this is P. errans, everything seems to fit well. The flight period also fits better with P. errans. |
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| Miguel Berkemeier |
Posted on 10-04-2016 19:17
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Member Location: Portugal (PT) Posts: 62 Joined: 04.12.13 |
Ok, thank you both!!! I'll consider it Phaonia cf. errans |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 10-04-2016 19:43
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Phaonia valida (M1+2 slightly bent apically).
Stephane. |
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| Rui Andrade |
Posted on 11-04-2016 19:15
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Member Location: Portugal Posts: 3123 Joined: 19.06.07 |
Thank you Stephane, I did not read carefully enough and didn't notice that feature! I thought I was seeing interfrontal bristles but maybe they aren't there.
Rui Andrade attached the following image:  [33.3Kb] |
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