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 Tachinidae:Winthemia speciosa
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| Patrik E |
Posted on 28-01-2016 18:36
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Member Location: Middle part of Sweden Posts: 46 Joined: 19.10.15 |
I have problem with this Tachinid from sept.19 in the middle part of Sweden. I have runed it twice in "The Tachinids of Central Europe"-key and I ends up with Timavia amoena. I can see when I compaire with the few pictures on the web that my fly has "wrong" colouration of the abdomen. Second problem is the late date.According to the key,the species should only fly to the end of july. At least the haircomb with the intermediary bristle on the hindtibia looks OK. Could it be a very late and worned out amoena or is it something else ? Regards/Patrik Patrik E attached the following image:  [96.39Kb] Edited by Patrik E on 30-01-2016 18:57 |
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| Patrik E |
Posted on 28-01-2016 18:37
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Member Location: Middle part of Sweden Posts: 46 Joined: 19.10.15 |
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| Patrik E |
Posted on 28-01-2016 18:38
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Member Location: Middle part of Sweden Posts: 46 Joined: 19.10.15 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 28-01-2016 21:25
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18546 Joined: 21.07.04 |
It is Winthemia bohemani, the one Winthemia with 3 sternopleural bristles. That caused your problem ! But you were critically enough to see that something was wrong. Theo |
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| Patrik E |
Posted on 29-01-2016 11:45
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Member Location: Middle part of Sweden Posts: 46 Joined: 19.10.15 |
Thanks Theo for helping me with this one. When I had to choose between Timavia/Winthemia in the couplet 101.The key says the intermediary bristle on the hindtibia should be 2x as long as the other bristles for Timavia.Considerably shorter for Winthemia. Searching in this forum I can see Walther Gritsch had the same problem with his W.bohemani. The description of bohemani matches my fly very good with the red abdomen and the longitudinal black middle stripe that narrows towards the back. One problem though.The key also says tibia should be yellow.Walthers fly has at least traces of yellow on the tibia.On my fly they ar all around black. Patrik |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 29-01-2016 12:29
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 Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 9879 Joined: 22.10.10 |
The North American key distinguishes Winthemia from other Winthemiini by the combination of parafacial haired and "hairs on abdominal tergites 3 and 4 recumbent." Smidtia amoena has those abdominal hairs erect. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 29-01-2016 13:40
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18546 Joined: 21.07.04 |
So, are there 2 or 3 sternopleurals ? Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 29-01-2016 13:56
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18546 Joined: 21.07.04 |
And 1 or 2 ad on tibia 2? Theo |
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| Patrik E |
Posted on 29-01-2016 15:35
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Member Location: Middle part of Sweden Posts: 46 Joined: 19.10.15 |
2 sternopleurals and 1 ad on midtibia + golden dusted with a very long third antennal segment = a female Winthemia speciosa ? Patrik |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 29-01-2016 16:16
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18546 Joined: 21.07.04 |
@ John: alas, that doesn't work on our planet. We have W. variegata with erect hairs on tergites. But vice versa, it might be OK ! Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 29-01-2016 16:40
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18546 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Patrik, you are totally correct. Terrific find ! Please subit tonthe gallery. Theo |
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| Patrik E |
Posted on 29-01-2016 17:15
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Member Location: Middle part of Sweden Posts: 46 Joined: 19.10.15 |
OK ! Thanks again for all the help. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 29-01-2016 19:20
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18546 Joined: 21.07.04 |
You are welcome. Could you please change the title ? So that we can find this thread, ..... Theo |
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but don't see the image in the post.
