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 gold-haired robber fly -> Laphria/Choerades sp?
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| treebeard |
Posted on 06-07-2014 14:20
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Member Location: Slovakia Posts: 604 Joined: 13.08.13 |
Hi all, can anybody help me to identify this hairy robber fly? It was patrolling around forest path in Banska Bystrica, Slovakia, 6 July 2014, 450 m.a.s.l. Unfortunatelly, I have only pictures form this angle. Greetings Matej treebeard attached the following image:  [174.34Kb] Edited by treebeard on 22-07-2014 07:56 |
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| ValerioW |
Posted on 06-07-2014 17:33
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 Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
Choerades cf. fimbriata |
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| treebeard |
Posted on 06-07-2014 18:15
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Member Location: Slovakia Posts: 604 Joined: 13.08.13 |
Thank you very much, but,in my opinion, Choerades fimbriata is much less hairy. I saw it even in this place, several minutes after this one. It had almost naked femora, black-stipped abdomen, overall look was different. Can be Choreades fimbriata so variable? A (very bad) picture of Ch. fimbriata from the same place and time: treebeard attached the following image:  [97.22Kb] |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 07-07-2014 00:59
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Wow..: ) I would say it is a Laphria species (because of the face and beard) but it doesnt fit any description i can find. I keys out to L aurea, but looks totally different. Although this looks quite similar: http://www.biolib.cz/IMG/GAL/238117.jpg
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| libor |
Posted on 07-07-2014 07:32
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Member Location: western Bohemia Posts: 1267 Joined: 30.05.09 |
Maybe Laphria vulpina, a questionable species near to L. flava? See at: http://www.robberflies.info/keyger/htmle/lapvul.html Libor |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 07-07-2014 21:21
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Thought of that one too, but hair of abdomen seems to be adpressed ie flat against the body. In the flava complex the hairs are standing out like a bumblebee. But maybe we can't see enough.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| treebeard |
Posted on 09-07-2014 15:19
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Member Location: Slovakia Posts: 604 Joined: 13.08.13 |
Reinoud, Libor, thank you very much. I have one more picture of abdomen, may it help? Matej treebeard attached the following image:  [138.93Kb] |
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| ValerioW |
Posted on 09-07-2014 15:58
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Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
Wow! Fully hairy tergites. Anyways, with theese I can just reject my Choerades thought, and say Laphria sp as Reinoud said. I can exclude some species but, personally, have no sure ID in mind.
Edited by ValerioW on 09-07-2014 16:05 |
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| treebeard |
Posted on 10-07-2014 07:03
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Member Location: Slovakia Posts: 604 Joined: 13.08.13 |
Thank you, I am starting to be affraid that my pictures are not sufficient for ID. Otherwise, I am pleased that I came accross a something extraordinary. |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 10-07-2014 22:13
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Don't worry too much, Asilidae can be impossible to do from a picture but experience and local knowledge can help a lot. This picture could be good enough (it is a good picture). I think you have a special creature on this one. Try to compare it with local collected animals if possible.
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 14-07-2014 17:34 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 10-07-2014 23:27
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Addendum: The creature keeps on bothering me, now i'm doubting my own conclusion that this is a Laphria sp. The creature looks like a Choerades species with a Laphria head. The shoulders seem basicly brown and not black ??? Laphria usually has long hairs on the back of the mesonotum. Questions: Does the creature have the shiny facial hair as in Choerades or not? (compare with 2nd picture) I hope someone with a lot of experience about Lahpriinae helps me out of my misery.. Edited by Quaedfliegh on 21-07-2014 15:02 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| treebeard |
Posted on 12-07-2014 18:07
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Member Location: Slovakia Posts: 604 Joined: 13.08.13 |
Answer: If I understand you correctly,it probably does not. Choreades have some shiny spot between eyes, shining from certain angles, this creature probably does not. Entire this creature was shining, facial hairs, as far as I can remember, were not remarkable. Its overall look was "hairy" and "gold". Have a nice day, Matej Edited by treebeard on 12-07-2014 18:08 |
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| ValerioW |
Posted on 12-07-2014 21:28
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Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
No matter how thorax looks. Face hairs, above the hump, are Laphria's, and this is a keys' trait. |
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| jaho |
Posted on 21-07-2014 00:13
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 Member Location: Warsaw Posts: 78 Joined: 11.11.11 |
Looks a lot as Laphria cf. vulpina male which makes it a really interesting encounter.
Jan |
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| treebeard |
Posted on 21-07-2014 06:32
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Member Location: Slovakia Posts: 604 Joined: 13.08.13 |
Jan, thank you very much Matej |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 22-07-2014 00:12
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I'm not conviced at all : ) compare: http://www.robberflies.info/keyger/htmle/lapvul.html With Laphria species from the flava group (including vulpina) hair on the abdomen should be erect which is not the case, hair is adpressed. Also the very long postsutural hair of Laphria is not present on the mesonotum of this one. As i mentioned before, it looks like a a head of a Laphria species on a choerades body. (not just the mesonotum also the abdomen, hair is adpressed in opposition the erect hairs of both L. vulpina and L. flava. Besides that, the shiny hairs on the face are not always obvious in Choerades, depending on the direction the light comes from. I therefore would suggest another species of which i only have seen pictures of collected specimens. : Choerades cf castellanii. Description by Hradsky fits quite well (admittedly the head remains strange) compare: http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id238096/ I still hope that someone like Dysmachus or Danny Wolff would react. It is quite possible we will never know. Edited by Quaedfliegh on 22-07-2014 00:18 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| treebeard |
Posted on 22-07-2014 07:55
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Member Location: Slovakia Posts: 604 Joined: 13.08.13 |
Yes, you are apparently right. In the meantime I chcecked those scarce pictures of the L. vulpina and they do not match. My field impession was neither "Choerades", nor "Laphria". Of course, I know only few species of these genera. I will change the title and wait :-) Edited by treebeard on 22-07-2014 07:56 |
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but don't see the image in the post.
