Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Muscidae or Athomyidae, I think
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| Isidro |
Posted on 06-05-2007 11:27
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Member Location: Zaragoza, Spain Posts: 2101 Joined: 26.04.07 |
Four days ago in my garden, Zaragoza, Aragon, Spain. 6-7 mm without wings. In sage leaves (Salvia officinalis).   Thanks 
Edited by Isidro on 06-05-2007 11:28 |
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| Isidro |
Posted on 06-05-2007 19:45
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Member Location: Zaragoza, Spain Posts: 2101 Joined: 26.04.07 |
Is difficult, as I see... |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 06-05-2007 21:19
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9491 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Muscidae, I think. Darkened crossveins - may be Lispocephala. Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Isidro |
Posted on 06-05-2007 22:39
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Member Location: Zaragoza, Spain Posts: 2101 Joined: 26.04.07 |
Thanks Nikita! I need more opinions... |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 07-05-2007 07:30
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Muscidae. Some important characters are not visible, but I think belongs to Helina or Spilogona.
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| Isidro |
Posted on 07-05-2007 07:34
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Member Location: Zaragoza, Spain Posts: 2101 Joined: 26.04.07 |
Thanks Kahis! At least the family is sure. |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 07-05-2007 19:10
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Kahis, am I wrong to think it cannot be Spilogona because Coenosiinae don't have prealar seta, and I can see a prealar on this fly ? So it would remain Helina... Regards Stephane. |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 07-05-2007 19:31
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
You're quite right, Stephane. Some Spilogona have a small prealar, but not as big as on this fly.
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| Kahis |
Posted on 08-05-2007 00:37
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
By chance I found this fly (or a close relative at least) today. Although it is quite robust, it's clearly a female anthomyiid.
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| Isidro |
Posted on 08-05-2007 07:40
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Member Location: Zaragoza, Spain Posts: 2101 Joined: 26.04.07 |
Well, now are you sure of the family? All before indicates to be Muscidae... But.... the genus? |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 08-05-2007 07:52
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
It looks as if the first anal vein reaches the wing margin and that would make it a true anthomyiid.
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 08-05-2007 09:18
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Paul Beuk wrote: It looks as if the first anal vein reaches the wing margin and that would make it a true anthomyiid. With hindsight that is obvious 
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 08-05-2007 09:48
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Kahis wrote: Paul Beuk wrote: It looks as if the first anal vein reaches the wing margin and that would make it a true anthomyiid. With hindsight that is obvious Hindsight? The picture was there all the time, so I would have said Anthomyiidae all the time... Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 19-04-2008 12:06
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
Anthomyia liturata RD female. Not all Anthomyia have black and white pattern on scutum. A. liturata has infuscated wing cross-veins, larvae breed in bird nests |
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