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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 16-03-2007 02:34
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 Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Hello flyforum, I did not think about Muscidae when I saw these flies on bark. The size was more then 10 mm, rather big for Muscidae.. I think. But the wingpattern is all Muscidae. A dark(black) fly with some colour; - a bit grey-blue and the eyes redbraun - The end of the scutellum is orange. The Abdomen is white banded and the bottom gots long hair. place: Amsterdam forest Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [169.53Kb] |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 16-03-2007 02:36
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 16-03-2007 02:37
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 16-03-2007 02:38
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 16-03-2007 11:58
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9225 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Well, apex of scutellum - red, M1 - stright (almost), large. To my limited knowledge - some Phaonia. But, I didn't find siutable Phaonia species for this image... Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 16-03-2007 13:23
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 Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1799 Joined: 14.01.06 |
I think it might be Muscina prolapsa. I know there isn't much of a bend in M, but there is a bit, and it seems to me that Muscina display quite a variation in the amount that vein bends. It's got the orange scutellum tip, and orange mouthparts which fit, but I would also expect to see some orange on the antennae but it is not always obvious in photos.
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 16-03-2007 13:35
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9225 Joined: 24.05.05 |
I've never seen Muscina with such M1. But it seems that Susan is right... Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 16-03-2007 13:55
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1799 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Check out Jan's pic of M stabulans in the gallery and Jurgen's M levida in thread http://www.dipter...post_21378
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 16-03-2007 14:24
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Thank you all for the information and search for specie. When I look at the head, I see some coloured parts (looks orange..)on the base of the antenne. The arista is plumosa, there is hair on the eyes. I think M1 is a bit curved.. and Muscina is a good option (with orange tip on scutellum) Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [129.37Kb] Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 16-03-2007 14:25 |
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| Jan Zwaaneveld |
Posted on 16-03-2007 15:12
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Member Location: Leerdam, Netherlands Posts: 721 Joined: 20.02.06 |
Muscina prolapsa was my first thought too, although vein M1 is rather strange, almost straight. Compare it, for instance, with this fly of mine: http://www.dipter...post_22087, also (presumed) M. prolapsa. I still wonder about M. pascuorum, a species of which I can find little information, and how to seperate it from prolapsa. But look at this thread: http://www.dipter...post_18551, with a fly of which Tony suggests it might be pascuorum, it also has quite a straight M1. http://slamenietd...web-log.nl |
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but don't see the image in the post.
