Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Phaonia?
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| Jan Zwaaneveld |
Posted on 17-11-2006 19:25
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Member Location: Leerdam, Netherlands Posts: 721 Joined: 20.02.06 |
Could this be Phaonia, perhaps? Photographed today at Leerdam, Netherlands. Thanks in advance! Jan Zwaaneveld attached the following image:  [85.74Kb] http://slamenietd...web-log.nl |
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| Jan Zwaaneveld |
Posted on 17-11-2006 19:25
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Member Location: Leerdam, Netherlands Posts: 721 Joined: 20.02.06 |
photo 2
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| Jan Zwaaneveld |
Posted on 17-11-2006 19:26
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Member Location: Leerdam, Netherlands Posts: 721 Joined: 20.02.06 |
photo 3
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| Jan Zwaaneveld |
Posted on 17-11-2006 19:27
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Member Location: Leerdam, Netherlands Posts: 721 Joined: 20.02.06 |
photo 4
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 18-11-2006 00:50
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 Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7306 Joined: 19.11.04 |
Yes, Phaonia - not sure about the species just yet. 
Tony ---------- Tony Irwin |
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| Jan Zwaaneveld |
Posted on 18-11-2006 19:19
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Member Location: Leerdam, Netherlands Posts: 721 Joined: 20.02.06 |
Thank you, Tony! Are there any special parts of the fly you need to see to identify it to species level? I have some more photos of this fly. http://slamenietd...web-log.nl |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 18-11-2006 22:51
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
P. fuscata ?
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| Jan Zwaaneveld |
Posted on 19-11-2006 21:09
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Member Location: Leerdam, Netherlands Posts: 721 Joined: 20.02.06 |
Could be, Kahis, you tell me!  Is there any detail I could find in other photos to be sure? Anyway, thanks for your suggestion!
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 19-11-2006 21:45
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Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7306 Joined: 19.11.04 |
Looking at this more closely, I don't think this is fuscata. Photo 4 clearly shows the scutellum has a reddish-yellow apex, which fuscata should not have. I'm pretty sure it's either tuguriorum or scutellata. Fonseca separates these females as follows: tuguriorum - frons at vertex more than two-fifths head width; jowl below eye about half eye-height; palpi reddish-yellow on basal third. scutellata - frons at vertex only one-third head width; jowl below eye not more than one-third eye-height; palpi usually almost entirely black. If I was pushed on this, I'd say scutellata, but I think the frons is too wide, so we need a big "?" after the name. 
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| Jan Zwaaneveld |
Posted on 20-11-2006 14:32
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Member Location: Leerdam, Netherlands Posts: 721 Joined: 20.02.06 |
Thanks for your explanation, Tony. Since scutellata is not on the Dutch list, tuguriorum seems to be the more obvious candidate. But, as you told me once in another thread, scutellata is widespread and occurs in almost all neighbouring countries, so there seems to be no reason why it should not occur in the Netherlands. I include some detailed photographs of the head of this fly, perhaps they can tell us more about its specific identity? Jan Zwaaneveld attached the following image:  [93.85Kb] http://slamenietd...web-log.nl |
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| Jan Zwaaneveld |
Posted on 20-11-2006 14:33
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Member Location: Leerdam, Netherlands Posts: 721 Joined: 20.02.06 |
another detail
Jan Zwaaneveld attached the following image:  [68.98Kb] http://slamenietd...web-log.nl |
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| Jan Zwaaneveld |
Posted on 20-11-2006 14:33
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Member Location: Leerdam, Netherlands Posts: 721 Joined: 20.02.06 |
and another
Jan Zwaaneveld attached the following image:  [77.08Kb] Edited by Jan Zwaaneveld on 20-11-2006 14:34 http://slamenietd...web-log.nl |
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