Gallery Links
Users Online
· Guests Online: 36

· Members Online: 0

· Total Members: 4,988
· Newest Member: DedeLab
Forum Threads
Theme Switcher
Switch to:
Last Seen Users
· guplox< 5 mins
· JWV00:12:37
· Dave M00:21:14
· Nosferatumyia00:37:59
· Tony Irwin01:37:34
· weia01:52:41
· Paul Beuk02:30:33
· RamiP02:41:33
· ESant02:43:09
· Dipterist02:47:01
Latest Photo Additions
View Thread
Diptera.info :: Family forums :: Syrphidae
Who is here? 1 guest(s)
 Print Thread
melanistic Scaeva - which?
Sundew
#1 Print Post
Posted on 01-11-2011 23:39
User Avatar

Member

Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany
Posts: 3916
Joined: 28.07.07

Hi,
Here is a dark Scaeva female from Austria, Tyrol, Niederthai (1.500 m). I'd like it to name it S. pyrastri var. unicolor (see http://www.dipter...ead_id=126), but I am not fully convinced... S. pyrastri has white, oblique markings, but here the rather straight markings might have been basically yellow as in S. selenitica. The margins of the last tergites are yellow, too, and in the middle of the hind tibiae there is a dark ring like in S. selenitica. However, the dark sternite markings are square and broader than high, which fits S. pyrastri. Can we make a decision between the two species in this case?
Many thanks for help, Sundew
Sundew attached the following image:


[161.28Kb]
 
Menno Reemer
#2 Print Post
Posted on 02-11-2011 17:06
Member

Location:
Posts: 343
Joined: 10.06.04

I would agree with S. selenitica, based on the characters you already mention (shape of markings on tergites, yellow posterior margin of tergite 4). I also think the black markings on the sternites are not square enough for S. pyrastri.
 
Sundew
#3 Print Post
Posted on 02-11-2011 22:38
User Avatar

Member

Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany
Posts: 3916
Joined: 28.07.07

Many thanks, Menno - it's good to hear that you also tend to S. selenitica. However, the sternite markings are dubious. May be they are not square enough, but nevertheless they are broader than high. In S. selenitica it should be quite the opposite. I add a normal S. selenitica viewed from below for comparison. At least the dark center of the markings is higher than broad here.
Ok, the upper fly is generally untypical. Is there a taxon name like "var. unicolor" for a melanistic appearance?
Regards, Sundew
Sundew attached the following image:


[132.41Kb]
 
Menno Reemer
#4 Print Post
Posted on 03-11-2011 09:52
Member

Location:
Posts: 343
Joined: 10.06.04

As far as I'm aware there are no names available for colour varieties of S. selenitica.
In S. pyrastri, var. unicolor has been found to occur only in females without ovaries (publications by Van Doesburg 1964, 1970 and Knutson 1971). The cause of this is is unclear, but might have something to do with parasitism in the larval or pupal stage.
In certain genera, e.g. Platycheirus, Melanostoma, Pyrophaena, melanism seems to occur mainly in so-called 'intersexes': specimens with characters intermediate between male and female (eyes not touching but appoaching more closely than in females, postabdominal segments without male genitalia, but nevertheless 'thicker' and more asymmetric than in females).
In many other syrphids, 'melanistic'individuals are just the dark end of a whole range from very dark to very pale individuals. In many cases this is correlated with temperature during the pupal stage (publications by Dusek & Laska, Mart Ottenheim, Jonathan Heal). This is why specimens in early spring, cold summers, at higher latitudes or altitudes tend to be darker than specimens from warmer places.
I think the latter mechanism probably applies to your specimen of S. selenitica (from a high altitude...). It's a dark specimen, but the shape of the markings on the tergits is still visible, and the distribution of other dark and pale specimens is more or less as in normal specimens, albeit the dark parts are more extensive. This would also explain why the dark markings on the sternites are wider than you would expect. Similar kinds of variation in tergal and sternal markings can be noticed in e.g. Dasysyrphus and Eupeodes.
 
Sundew
#5 Print Post
Posted on 03-11-2011 12:58
User Avatar

Member

Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany
Posts: 3916
Joined: 28.07.07

I highly appreciate your long and detailed explanation - thank you very much indeed!
 
Jump to Forum:
Similar Threads
Thread Forum Replies Last Post
Scaeva selenitica Syrphidae 5 13-11-2023 20:28
Scaeva selenitica? Syrphidae 4 23-10-2023 13:58
Scaeva pyrastri << ID please Syrphidae 3 17-07-2023 13:16
male Scaeva pyrastri << ID please Syrphidae 3 01-07-2023 14:37
Scaeva pyrastri or Scaeva selenitica? (11.06.23) Syrphidae 4 14-06-2023 18:11
Date and time
28 November 2024 11:51
Login
Username

Password



Not a member yet?
Click here to register.

Forgotten your password?
Request a new one here.
Temporary email?
Due to fact this site has functionality making use of your email address, any registration using a temporary email address will be rejected.

Paul
Donate
Please, help to make
Diptera.info
possible and enable
further improvements!
Latest Articles
Syrph the Net
Those who want to have access to the Syrph the Net database need to sign the
License Agreement -
Click to Download


Public files of Syrph the Net can be downloaded HERE

Last updated: 25.08.2011
Shoutbox
You must login to post a message.

08.11.24 16:10
Www.abebooks.com

29.07.24 13:19
Don't suppose anyone knows anwhere selling a copy of Contributions to a Manual of Palaearctic Diptera 2? Always wanted a copy.... Smile

16.07.24 11:37
TumbsUp

11.07.24 12:59
Following up on the update provided by Paul on the donations received in 2024, I just made a donation. Follow my example Wink

17.08.23 15:23
Aneomochtherus

17.08.23 13:54
Tony, I HAD a blank in the file name. Sorry!

17.08.23 13:44
Tony, thanks! I tried it (see "Cylindromyia" Wink but don't see the image in the post.

17.08.23 11:37
pjt - just send the post and attached image. Do not preview thread, as this will lose the link to the image,

16.08.23 08:37
Tried to attach an image to a forum post. jpg, 32kB, 72dpi, no blanks, ... File name is correctly displayed, but when I click "Preview Thread" it just vanishes. Help!

23.02.23 21:29
Has anyone used the Leica DM500, any comments.

Render time: 0.80 seconds | 205,107,912 unique visits