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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 14-11-2006 22:22
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Is there a key to the West Palaearctic species of Ulidia Mg? I have a specimen, which is for sure not E. erythrocephala or U. apicalis.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 14-11-2006 22:41
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Seguy (1934 Faune de France) has a key for Ulidia including apicalis, nigripennis, parallela, erythrophthalma and semiopaca. I don't know which of these names are still valid, or whether there are other species (or synonymies). If you would like a copy I can e-mail you images of the relevant pages.
Tony ---------- Tony Irwin |
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| John Smit |
Posted on 15-11-2006 08:47
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Dear Ruud, Not from the Netherlands I assume? You have an image of the specimen? John |
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| Robert Nash |
Posted on 15-11-2006 09:36
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Member Location: Ulster Museum, Belfast, Ireland Posts: 288 Joined: 11.11.05 |
Ulidiidae were formerly Otitidae (now an obsolete name) if this helps. Robert |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 15-11-2006 10:15
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
No, from Turkey.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 15-11-2006 11:19
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
MMM, time for a silly question again: Did the name Otitidae become obsolete????Or does this only counts for the `Ulidiidae`, which then belonged in the past to the Otitidae?
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| John Smit |
Posted on 15-11-2006 12:51
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Member Location: Utrecht Posts: 565 Joined: 05.10.04 |
Hi Ruud, thanks! No the Otitidae were treated as a separate family, previously. Nowadays it is treated as a subfamily within the Ulidiidae. But I do not know what the reasons were for this transfer. So now you have the family Ulidiidae, with two subfamilies: Ulidiinae and Otitinae. John |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 15-11-2006 14:16
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
A few years out of dipterology and your knowledge is already outdated. It is shocking. Nevertheless, thank you, John! BTW, whose idea was it to make Otitinae out of Otitidae? ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| John Smit |
Posted on 15-11-2006 15:56
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Member Location: Utrecht Posts: 565 Joined: 05.10.04 |
Hi Ruud, You're welcome! Regarding the idea around Otitinae, it's not that you just make a new name, in this case the status of teh familyname Otitidae just degraded to subfamily and therefore the 'uitgang' ~nae in stead of ~dae is used. John |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 15-11-2006 16:10
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
John, sorry, maybe my sarcasm was not clear enough. I just was curious, who had the idea to degrade it. No so much is being published on Otitidae, you see
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 15-11-2006 21:07
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The status of Ulidiidae in the past often was either as separate family or as subfamily of Otitidae. However, since the family name Ulidiidae has priority over Otitidae, that should be the family name if you consider them as one separate family. I should have the reference somewhere but cannot find it now. I think it was something Russian.
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| David Clements |
Posted on 18-07-2007 19:46
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Member Location: Cardiff, UK Posts: 80 Joined: 21.04.07 |
Kameneva & Korneyev (1993, J Ukrainian Ent Soc 1: 65-72) demonstrated that the two groups belonged to the same family, and that the name Ulidiidae had priority. Kameneva is doing much good work on the taxonomy of this family, and published extensive revisions in various genera throughout the 1990s. |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 18-07-2007 20:24
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Tony Irwin wrote: Seguy (1934 Faune de France) has a key for Ulidia including apicalis, nigripennis, parallela, erythrophthalma and semiopaca. I don't know which of these names are still valid, or whether there are other species (or synonymies). If you would like a copy I can e-mail you images of the relevant pages. There's no need for making copies; the full volume is available online under a Creative Commons licence! http://www.fauned...eNumerique (Thanks to pierred for the link to the PDF versions of FdF volume in this thread) Kahis |
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but don't see the image in the post.
