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beetle... but which one?
jorgemotalmeida
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Hi


taken today, 9th OCTOBER 2006 in Silgueiros - Viseu - Portugal.

Coleoptera --- beetle... but which one?

Thank you for ID. Never seen a so hairy beetle!

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c.f. Tropinota hirta (Poda, 1761) Scarabaeoidea Scarabaeidae Cetoniinae Hairy indeed.
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I think a Tropinota squalida (Cetoniinae).
 
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You live and learnWink Tropinota squalida (Cetoniinae) it seems. This led me to the multi-image site
http://galerie-in...iidae.html
Robert
Edited by Robert Nash on 09-10-2006 16:44
 
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Robert Nash wrote:
You live and learnWink Tropinota squalida (Cetoniinae) it seems. This led me to the multi-image site
http://galerie-in...iidae.html
Robert



There is some contradiction... this gallery said that Tropinota spp. belongs to the Cetoniidae family and not Scarabaeidae family... so which is the correct one?
 
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Different family concepts. Scarabaeidae is often split to many families, Dynastidae, Rutelidae, Melolonthidae, Cetoniidae, Geotrupidae and so on. Different authors recognize different splits.

So either Scarabaeidae, Cetoniinae, or Cetoniidae, Cetoniinae.
 
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Xespok wrote:
Different family concepts. Scarabaeidae is often split to many families, Dynastidae, Rutelidae, Melolonthidae, Cetoniidae, Geotrupidae and so on. Different authors recognize different splits.

So either Scarabaeidae, Cetoniinae, or Cetoniidae, Cetoniinae.



Smile ok. the aethernal discussion. it seems that just specie level is the only natural rank.
 
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jorgemotalmeida wrote:There is some contradiction... this gallery said that Tropinota spp. belongs to the Cetoniidae family and not Scarabaeidae family... so which is the correct one?


This site (I am an admin of the gallery) has adopted as a principle to stick with the nomenclature of Fauna europaea, even when we know that it is outdated (even severely, as for Apidae).
Pierre Duhem
 
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We must stay with this since Fauna Europaea despite it's limitations and uncertain future is the best European standard we have. It is also universally available and quick to use.With constantly proposed nomenclatural changes often without ICZN approval and systematic changes based on DNA there is a real danger of revisiting the total confusion of the nineteenth century with virtually no agreement between entomologists making all Europe faunistic works and biogeographic analysis impossible .An alarming prospectShockShock but one which our admins have obviously foreseenPfft.

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Rank confusion?SadSad See note in the Glossary>Rank noting the comment on subjectivity. Robert
 
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Bouchard et al. 2011 have checked all historic names of Coleoptera down to subtribes and found it to be Scarabaeidae: Cetoniinae. This may be changed by pending taxonomic revisions though.

Best regards,

Scarabaeoid
 
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