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 fly looking fr its family : Pallopteridae? Heleomyzidae ? Scatophagidae?
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| Louis Boumans |
Posted on 13-10-2009 10:03
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Member Location: NO Oslo Posts: 262 Joined: 09.06.04 |
I seem unable to identify this fly satisfactorily even to family level. Can anyone help? About 7 mm long, taken in the Netherlands in October. Louis Boumans attached the following image:  [137.21Kb] Edited by Louis Boumans on 16-10-2009 11:26 |
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| Louis Boumans |
Posted on 13-10-2009 10:04
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Member Location: NO Oslo Posts: 262 Joined: 09.06.04 |
pic 2 head frontal
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| Louis Boumans |
Posted on 13-10-2009 10:05
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Member Location: NO Oslo Posts: 262 Joined: 09.06.04 |
pic 3 wing
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| Louis Boumans |
Posted on 13-10-2009 10:05
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Member Location: NO Oslo Posts: 262 Joined: 09.06.04 |
pic 4 lateral body
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| Andre |
Posted on 13-10-2009 10:13
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 Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
Calyptrate? Scatophagidae? |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 13-10-2009 11:00
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
I think Heleomyzidae
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Louis Boumans |
Posted on 13-10-2009 11:22
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Member Location: NO Oslo Posts: 262 Joined: 09.06.04 |
Thanks, Nikita & Andre, Acc to my key (Oosterbroek et al.) Heleomyzidae should have 2 facial setae. But I think I dismissed Calyptrata too eagerly, and André is right: Scatophagidae is not such a bad idea.. |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 13-10-2009 12:22
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
I'd still advice to ask Andrzej
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 13-10-2009 14:10
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 Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2126 Joined: 24.07.04 |
The antennae don't look very scathophagid-like to me. I would change the title to "Heleomyzidae ?" to attract the attention of Andrzej.
Jan Willem van Zuijlen |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 13-10-2009 15:23
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2342 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Hmm, it should be verified with a key :-) Not Heleomyzid but an another family member ! I will find time tomorrow to verify it familiar status ! Maybe similar to Pseudopomyzidae ? Andrzej dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 13-10-2009 16:19
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Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2126 Joined: 24.07.04 |
How about a teneral male of Palloptera ustulata? It is about the correct time to find the first males of this species again. Louis actually suggested Pallopteridae to me earlier.
Edited by Jan Willem on 18-10-2009 18:15 Jan Willem van Zuijlen |
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| Louis Boumans |
Posted on 15-10-2009 14:41
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Member Location: NO Oslo Posts: 262 Joined: 09.06.04 |
Thanks for your advice - I changed the title and will get the thread on top again .. Louis |
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| Andre |
Posted on 15-10-2009 16:10
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Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
My first hunch also was to write Opomyzoidea... I would exclude Heleomyzidae because I don't see the characteristic longer setae on the front of the wing. |
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| Louis Boumans |
Posted on 16-10-2009 11:25
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Member Location: NO Oslo Posts: 262 Joined: 09.06.04 |
Yes, well it actually keys out as Pallopteridae, and I was sure it was sth like a sister species to P. ustulata. But as JW in another forum at first thought it wasn't, and JW knows everything about Dutch Pallopteridae, I was quickly convinced it had to be sth else .. Now this option is back again. In fact it's overall appearance is quite like P. ustulata but I don't think it is this species. I have no Pallopteridae key at hand and my private collection only has females. I see following differences between my females ustulata and this specimen; the latter has: - no trace of apical spot - slight darkening of crossveins - scutum and scutellum concolourous (scutellum yellow in ustulata) - darker wing veins and legs - different fine setation of face and legs (but large setae on thorax very similar) I attach another picture of the scutellum. Louis Boumans attached the following image:  [43.86Kb] |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 18-10-2009 18:14
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Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2126 Joined: 24.07.04 |
A few days ago I wrote "How about a teneral male of Palloptera ustulata". What I meant to write was "How about teneral male ofPalloptera scutellata. Today I found a male of this species in my beer trap which makes me think even more that we are here dealing with a teneral male of P. scutellata.
Edited by Jan Willem on 21-10-2009 06:57 Jan Willem van Zuijlen |
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| Louis Boumans |
Posted on 21-10-2009 00:08
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Member Location: NO Oslo Posts: 262 Joined: 09.06.04 |
Aaargh! Yes of course, I should have thought of this myself! I was actually looking for this species, and found this specimen not far from where I found scutellata last year. In this teneral male the apical spot is still completely absent. Thanks, JW! |
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but don't see the image in the post.
