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Psychodidae ID?
gedra	#1 Posted on 02-09-2009 18:19
Member Location: Norway Posts: 327 Joined: 08.02.09	Difficult species, but maybe there is some expert out there? Cant find any good resources on the net... #1: Outside Oslo, Norway, caught today in my moth trap: gedra attached the following image: [92.66Kb] Geir


gedra	#2 Posted on 02-09-2009 18:20
Member Location: Norway Posts: 327 Joined: 08.02.09	#2: From outside Oslo, Norway in June: gedra attached the following image: [77.28Kb] Geir


gedra	#3 Posted on 02-09-2009 18:21
Member Location: Norway Posts: 327 Joined: 08.02.09	#3: From outside Oslo, Norway in September: gedra attached the following image: [105.01Kb] Geir


phil withers	#4 Posted on 02-09-2009 22:29
Member Location: Lyon, France Posts: 521 Joined: 04.03.08	Three different species: the middle one might be Boreoclytocerus ocellaris (can't be sure with all the scales), the others will need looking at (and can only be identified if males); if you want me to look at these, put them in alcohol and send them.


gedra	#5 Posted on 04-09-2009 21:20
Member Location: Norway Posts: 327 Joined: 08.02.09	Thanks for your information...unfortunately i only have photos... rgds Geir Geir


Gunnar M Kvifte	#6 Posted on 04-09-2009 22:50
Member Location: Kassel, Germany Posts: 436 Joined: 18.08.09	The one in the middle might be Clytocerus ocellaris (Boreoclytocerus is by most people today regarded as a subgenus); however the Clytocerus ocellaris complex is notoriously difficult. The whole genus is urgently in need of a revision. I am currently working on the Norwegian species of Psychodidae and would very much like to receive material. Edit: I have reexamined my specimens and can't justify labelling any of them as C. longicorniculatus. They have long corniculi, but the genitalia are different. Edited by Gunnar M Kvifte on 18-11-2009 15:53


Louis Boumans	#7 Posted on 08-11-2009 23:02
Member Location: NO Oslo Posts: 262 Joined: 09.06.04	I'd say #3 is a Tinearia. I've never found anything other that T. alternata, but apparently T. lativentris is not rare either, and look much the same.


Louis Boumans	#8 Posted on 08-11-2009 23:16
Member Location: NO Oslo Posts: 262 Joined: 09.06.04	Below a picture of a mothmidge that I identified later using Phil's key as Clytocerus ocellaris. If my identification is correct, the pic of Gedra should be a different species, unless the wing pattern is very variable (I don't know). Sorry for the low quality picture ... Louis Boumans attached the following image: [59.06Kb]


Gunnar M Kvifte	#9 Posted on 18-11-2009 15:51
Member Location: Kassel, Germany Posts: 436 Joined: 18.08.09	Clytocerus ocellaris is most likely a species complex rather than a good species, and much material is tentatively assigned to the species. Other named species in this complex include C. orientalis Wagner, 1994 (east Russia), C. longicorniculatus Krek, 1987 (found in Bosnia, Poland, Czech Republic, probably more widespread) and C. splendidus, Jezek 2007 (Czech Republic, Poland). There are probably other species as well (Jezek 2009 pers.comm, pers.obs), and a revision of the complex is badly needed. No single key is sufficient for identifying Clytocerus specimens, except that Phil Withers' key probably fits well to the British fauna and Salih Krek's key is suitable for Balkan. I would recommend using Vaillant's Die Fliegen key supplied with more recent taxonomic papers. Of other Clytocerus species occuring in Northern Europe, both Clytocerus rivosus and C. tetracorniculatus occur in Finland.