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 Tachinidae? or Sarcophagidae...
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 01-04-2009 14:13
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Morocco, Essaouira, sand dune, 29 Mar, 6mm
Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [94.74Kb] Edited by Nikita Vikhrev on 01-04-2009 15:24 Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 01-04-2009 14:17
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
another specimen
Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [118.54Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 01-04-2009 15:08
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 Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
It's a difficult one ... it is quite elongate in the body and the post-bend part of the median vein is very stretched and concave, suggesting a sarcophagid but ... does it have a subscutellum?  Nice insect though - looks interesting
Edited by ChrisR on 01-04-2009 15:09 |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 01-04-2009 15:23
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
does it have a subscutellum? A good question  It seems, it has not Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 01-04-2009 16:48
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Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Doh!!  |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 01-04-2009 18:46
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18547 Joined: 21.07.04 |
BAsed on these pictures, it might go either way. My gut feeling says Sarcophagidae, though. IF you send it, I can get a genus for you. Theo |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 01-04-2009 20:29
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
I think we have seen this one before: Sarcotachina umbrinervis. Please compare specimen with nice pictures of Rui Andrade: http://www.dipter...d_id=16034 Liekele Edited by ChrisR on 01-04-2009 21:41 |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 01-04-2009 20:33
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Thank you Chris and Theo. Theo, I have a lot of pureblooded Tachinidae waiting for ID to genus and species. When you will have luck of material just let me know! This fly was somewhat too nice to my test and unusual. I checked that arista is bare and didn't check subscutellum. I dicided that probably I can get full ID of this fly and made image. Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 01-04-2009 20:45
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Aaaa! Though Sarco, but still Tachina! Thank you Liekele! Looks very like Rui's fly (I guess Rui's is female, both mine are males). Liekele, my males have parafrontalia and interfrontalia almost same white dusted (interfrontalia yellowish-white), Rui's fly has much more distinct colour difference of para- and interfrontalia. Is it still OK for S.umbrinervis or I can't be sure in species level ID? Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 01-04-2009 21:55
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
Rui caught both male and female. Male has indeed parafrontals and frons white dusted. I have checked for possibility of other known species within Sarcotachina, but S. umbrinervis is the only dark species within the genus. Others are very different in appaerance. So id on species level is ok. Liekele |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 01-04-2009 22:06
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Thank you, Liekele! So, it was a good idea to make image of this fly
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 02-04-2009 15:02
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18547 Joined: 21.07.04 |
To prevent mistakes Sarcotachina is in Sarcophagidae !! (so my gut feeling.... was right) Theo |
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but don't see the image in the post.