Gallery Links
Users Online
· Guests Online: 14

· Members Online: 0

· Total Members: 5,092
· Newest Member: LV
Forum Threads
Theme Switcher
Switch to:
Last Seen Users
· DedeLab00:42:48
· Juergen Peters00:49:00
· ViktorNebenf...00:57:17
· libor01:23:49
· ESant01:27:30
· Jan Maca02:19:22
· evdb02:42:31
· John Carr02:55:11
· smol04:16:01
· piros04:28:50
Latest Photo Additions
View Thread
Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Print Thread
Lauxaniidae/Sciomyzidae/??????
Gordon
#1 Print Post
Posted on 20-10-2008 11:41
User Avatar

Member

Location: Lake Kerkini, Greece
Posts: 1101
Joined: 02.01.08

This one has me feeling a bit stupid, at first glance I assumed it was a Sciomyzid, but then I thought to check the book to make sure it wasn't a Lauxaniid, and it seems it is neither. Both the above families have 2 pairs of F-bristles as well as P-Bristles. As the inset clearly shows this has 3 pairs of F-bristles and no P-bristles. Wetland Kerkini: Greece. 25 May to 1st June 2008 1485 m ASL.

Thanks
Gordon attached the following image:


[77.07Kb]
 
www.earthlife.net/  www.earthlife.net/bluemagpie/
Jan Willem
#2 Print Post
Posted on 20-10-2008 12:24
User Avatar

Member

Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands
Posts: 2168
Joined: 24.07.04

My first impression was Clusiidae.
Jan Willem van Zuijlen
 
Gordon
#3 Print Post
Posted on 20-10-2008 13:11
User Avatar

Member

Location: Lake Kerkini, Greece
Posts: 1101
Joined: 02.01.08

Dear Jan,
Thanks for the comment, yes I can see why you would suggest that, however I neglected to mention its size, circa 8mm, which is large for Clusiodes as Lonsdale and Marshall put the upper limit at 5.8 mm, see new image with a specimen of C. albimanus for comparison.
Gordon attached the following image:


[78.06Kb]
 
www.earthlife.net/  www.earthlife.net/bluemagpie/
Paul Beuk
#4 Print Post
Posted on 20-10-2008 13:42
User Avatar

Super Administrator

Location: Netherlands
Posts: 19403
Joined: 11.05.04

In this case you would be looking at Clusia flava, I think, which can be considerably larger than Clusiodes.
Paul

- - - -

Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info
 
diptera.info
Gordon
#5 Print Post
Posted on 20-10-2008 15:11
User Avatar

Member

Location: Lake Kerkini, Greece
Posts: 1101
Joined: 02.01.08

Ahh well, I have no literature for that species unfortunately, the Clusiodes paper describes Hendelia beckeri but does not mention the genus Clusia.

Thanks

Gordon
 
www.earthlife.net/  www.earthlife.net/bluemagpie/
Jan Willem
#6 Print Post
Posted on 20-10-2008 22:31
User Avatar

Member

Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands
Posts: 2168
Joined: 24.07.04

Stubbs (1982) says in his key:

3. The most anterior pair of orbital bristles (bristles close to the top eye margin) curve inwards towards each other, in contrast to the more posterior pair/pairs. Thorax completely black or abdomen yellow ............................................4
- All orbital bristles curved upwards and backwards. Thorax partly pale, abdomen never yellow .................. Clusiodes
4. Thorax and abdomen entirely black (small species like Clusiodes) .................................. Heteromeringia
- Thorax and abdomen entirely yellow, or only very narrow black stripes on thorax ................................... Clusia

Following this, your specimen belongs to the genus Clusia. And since there is only one Clusia species in Europe it should be Clusia flava.
Edited by Jan Willem on 20-10-2008 22:33
Jan Willem van Zuijlen
 
Gordon
#7 Print Post
Posted on 21-10-2008 05:00
User Avatar

Member

Location: Lake Kerkini, Greece
Posts: 1101
Joined: 02.01.08

Dear Jan,
Thanks a lot for that, it is nice to add another species. I have just now been looking through the Sciomyzids from nearby weeks and sites hoping find another specimen. Unfortunately, but perhaps happily, I have not found any yet.

Gordon
 
www.earthlife.net/  www.earthlife.net/bluemagpie/
Jump to Forum:
Similar Threads
Thread Forum Replies Last Post
A Lauxaniidae from a bog Diptera (adults) 2 25-03-2026 08:17
Sciomyzidae from Mongolia Diptera (adults) 7 06-02-2026 14:51
Trypetisoma (Trypaneoides) ? (Lauxaniidae) Diptera (adults) 2 23-01-2026 09:18
Lauxaniidae --> Poecilominettia Diptera (adults) 2 23-01-2026 00:28
Lauxaniidae Diptera (adults) 6 17-01-2026 22:15
Date and time
01 April 2026 20:31
Login
Username

Password



Not a member yet?
Click here to register.

Forgotten your password?
Request a new one here.
Temporary email?
Due to fact this site has functionality making use of your email address, any registration using a temporary email address will be rejected.

Paul
Donate
Please, help to make
Diptera.info
possible and enable
further improvements!
Latest Articles
Syrph the Net
Those who want to have access to the Syrph the Net database need to sign the
License Agreement -
Click to Download


Public files of Syrph the Net can be downloaded HERE

Last updated: 25.08.2011
Shoutbox
You must login to post a message.

20.02.26 13:31
Canada plans to eliminate the Diptera group at the CNC. See post in the News section of the main page.

18.02.26 09:33
Anyone have scans of the Genus Semaranga in: 1)Kanmiya, K. (1983) A systematic study of the Japanese Chloropidae (Diptera). 2) Andersson, H. (1977 Taxonomic and Phylogenetic studies on Chloropid

10.02.26 19:36
Hello Moumoule !

07.01.26 15:52
Pipunculidae from Mongolia! I am looking for specialist who is committed to ID these. There will be a lot of material coming from my expeditions.

06.12.25 21:37
He last posted here in April, identifying some Chloropidae.

04.12.25 20:02
Dr Michael von Tschirnhaus, a leading expert on Chloropidae and Agromyzidae, died on 16 September 2025 at the age of 86. He will be greatly missed by the international community. R.I.P.

03.12.25 12:46
Anyone has the scan of "Harkness, R. D.; Ismay, J. W. 1976: A new species of Trachysiphonella (Dipt., Chloropidae) from Greece, associated with an ant Cataglyphis bicolor (F.) (Hym., Formicidae)

01.12.25 22:29
I will try to fix the messages this month. We have to make some other configuration changes before software goes out of support at end of year.

29.11.25 21:57
I would prefer not to receive any more messages from diptera.info signed by Paul... (Thread reply notification)... Could they be signed by ‘The diptera.info team’?

19.11.25 12:31
It is with deepest sadness in my heart that I announce that on Saturday, November 15, one of the great minds of world dipterology, prof. Rudolf Rozkošny, left us forever. Please remember him with a

Render time: 0.83 seconds | 265,479,518 unique visits