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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 04-10-2008 14:38
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 Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
hi flyforum, This fly was sitting on a blackberry in the edge of the forest. I think Musciade (female) and with these strong fuscated crossveins Phaonia? other features: - plumose arista - hair on eyes - orange/golden anterior spiracle - posterior setae - apical bristles on tibia II are heavy - 1 prescutellar ac (two hairs, so is this notation of 1 prescutellar correct? > 1 pair of prescutellar ac) - no interfrontals - no colouring on the end of it's scutellum. - size ~ 10mm 0bvious is the yellow/orange couloured stroke of hairs on the backside of the tibia and beneath the apical bristles? If wanted, I can crop some parts for more detail. Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [139.84Kb] Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 04-10-2008 14:56 Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 04-10-2008 14:39
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
a bit dorsal view
Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [156.4Kb] Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 04-10-2008 14:39 Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 04-10-2008 14:40
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
interior view
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 04-10-2008 15:50
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Hello Robert, Maybe a Helina sp. (obscurata / evecta) Greatings Joke Edited by javanerkelens on 04-10-2008 15:54 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 04-10-2008 18:23
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
I think Helina too. Helina evecta would be a good candidate. Could I have a good view of leg 3, just to be sure ?
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 04-10-2008 19:30
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Thanks you Joke and Stephane. What's a good character for Helina sp. ? I'll give you it's 3rd leg, not 'it's best leg'.. Just look underneath the wing-edge, there you the 3rd leg.. Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [149.34Kb] Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 04-10-2008 19:30 Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 04-10-2008 19:31
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
I see some setae on the tibia and femur
Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [124.94Kb] Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 04-10-2008 19:32 Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 04-10-2008 19:32
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and one more.. look at the leg on the right.
Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [135.07Kb] Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 04-10-2008 19:33 Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 04-10-2008 20:32
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Thanks Robert. I'm convinced that it is Helina evecta. - 1 prescutellar ac (two hairs, so is this notation of 1 prescutellar correct? > 1 pair of prescutellar ac) Correct, scutum bristles are always taken by pair for notation.What's a good character for Helina sp. ? Not an easy question. If you found a Phaoniinae with no "Phaonia calcar" (pd on apical third of hind tibia) paired dark spots on tergits 3-4 and straight M1+2, there is every chance that you found an Helina. When the abdomen lacks the Helina spots (like this one), it is more difficult...
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 04-10-2008 21:04
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Thank you Stephane, I'll take notice of it! Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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but don't see the image in the post.
