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 Turkish Tabanids 3: Glaucops hirsutus? ->Tabanus quatuornotatus
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| Cor Zonneveld |
Posted on 17-06-2008 19:13
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 Member Location: Amstelveen, the Netherlands Posts: 840 Joined: 14.10.06 |
28 May, in Taurus mountains, near Uzuncaburc. altitude ca 1000 m, limestone mountains. Dry spring bedding with patch of water due to broken water hose. Pine forest nearby, else open mountain landscape. Looks very much (to me) like Glaucops hirsutus. Is this correct? Male with two band per eye, female with three? Cor Zonneveld attached the following image:  [127.7Kb] Edited by Cor Zonneveld on 14-08-2008 17:25 Thanks for your attention Cor Zonneveld |
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| Cor Zonneveld |
Posted on 17-06-2008 19:13
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Member Location: Amstelveen, the Netherlands Posts: 840 Joined: 14.10.06 |
portrait of female?
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| Cor Zonneveld |
Posted on 17-06-2008 19:14
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Member Location: Amstelveen, the Netherlands Posts: 840 Joined: 14.10.06 |
male?
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| Cor Zonneveld |
Posted on 24-07-2008 22:12
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Member Location: Amstelveen, the Netherlands Posts: 840 Joined: 14.10.06 |
Theo, any comments?
Thanks for your attention Cor Zonneveld |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 25-07-2008 14:17
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18761 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Yes, great job ! It is Glaucops, but I\m not sure whether it is hirsutus. This species is not known from Turkey. From south-east Turkey G. hakkariensis has been described by Schacht, 1983. Both are very similar. I would need specimens to get a sound ID. Which would be great . Did you collect any ? Theo |
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| Cor Zonneveld |
Posted on 25-07-2008 17:37
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Member Location: Amstelveen, the Netherlands Posts: 840 Joined: 14.10.06 |
I hate to disappoint you, but alas, no specimens... Actually, even photography seems to be already an illegal activity! Let alone collecting something. That is, without a Turkish guide  Not that anyone is aware of that law...
Thanks for your attention Cor Zonneveld |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 25-07-2008 18:14
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18761 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Well, that is most unfortunate. (the 'nobody is aware'-part is highly incorrect, by the way, several people have lost all their collected material in east Turkey). It looks like G. hirsutus but I'm not gonna add this species to the Turkish list based on this pictures. Any chance of some coordinates of the locaility, even if rough ? Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 25-07-2008 18:19
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18761 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Is it north of Silifke ? And any dorsal pic of the male, no matter how bad, would greatly help. Thanks Theo |
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| Cor Zonneveld |
Posted on 12-08-2008 16:35
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Member Location: Amstelveen, the Netherlands Posts: 840 Joined: 14.10.06 |
Hi Theo, Very sorry that I didn't check this thread after your two last posts! (But my neglect was not intentional, I may add as a poor excuse.) OK, this is the best I have on the male. (You asked for bad photo's, so you get one! Actually, this one figured on a photograph of Vespa orientalis!!) Coordinates: I'll ask for them. It's indeed north of Silifke. Cor Zonneveld attached the following image:  [136.58Kb] Thanks for your attention Cor Zonneveld |
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| Cor Zonneveld |
Posted on 12-08-2008 17:04
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Member Location: Amstelveen, the Netherlands Posts: 840 Joined: 14.10.06 |
No! I can do better than that! Obviously, I?m still processing all the material I have...
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| Cor Zonneveld |
Posted on 12-08-2008 17:06
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Member Location: Amstelveen, the Netherlands Posts: 840 Joined: 14.10.06 |
almost similar, but I don?t know what you?re looking for!
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 12-08-2008 20:57
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18761 Joined: 21.07.04 |
OK, bad news: the eyes are hairy, I could have noted that earlier, but it is obvious in these males. Glaucops has bare eyes. So exit Glaucops, need to reconsider this one though. Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 13-08-2008 22:21
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18761 Joined: 21.07.04 |
It is easy to miss, but in the female the subcallus is shiny black. So it is Tabanus quatuornotatus. Nice to see the male Theo |
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| Cor Zonneveld |
Posted on 14-08-2008 17:29
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Member Location: Amstelveen, the Netherlands Posts: 840 Joined: 14.10.06 |
Wow, Tabanidae are tricky! First, what is the subcallus? Second: it doesn't look Tabanus-like at all! Is there a range of species that gradually change from typical Tabanus into Glaucops? Third: I gues T. quatuornotatus is known from Turkey? Finally: many thanks for your detective work!! Edited by Cor Zonneveld on 14-08-2008 17:34 Thanks for your attention Cor Zonneveld |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 14-08-2008 17:40
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18761 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Subcallus: part of head just above antennal base, in Tabanidae a separate structure (plate). Usually dusted, blackish subcallus is always an important feature. It does not look like Tabanus bromius, but it is Tabanus-like ! It should be: Glaucops itself is so Tabanuslike that it might be included, according to some, in Tabanus. third: yes, all the way to Iran etc. Theo |
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