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Haematopota italica ? pandazisi ? North-western France
BLecaplain
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Posted on 05-09-2024 11:12
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Hello,

I created a post on the forum Le Monde des Insectes with this Haematopota identified as italica.
With the Chvàla, I have a little doubt now. Because of the first antennal segment quite brown (blackish-grey in italica) and abdomen brown too.
Could it be an other species (pandazisi for exemple) ?

In alcohol :

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos344/big/P6142148.JPG
Benoît Lecaplain : France : Lassy : 35580 : 30/07/2018
Altitude : NR - Taille : 11 mm
Réf. : 344689

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos344/big/P6142151.JPG
Benoît Lecaplain : France : Lassy : 35580 : 30/07/2018
Altitude : NR - Taille : 11 mm
Réf. : 344690

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos344/big/P6142153.JPG
Benoît Lecaplain : France : Lassy : 35580 : 30/07/2018
Altitude : NR - Taille : 11 mm
Réf. : 344686

In collection :

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos344/big/P6192239.JPG
Benoît Lecaplain : France : Lassy : 35580 : 30/07/2018
Altitude : NR - Taille : 11 mm
Réf. : 344687

www.galerie-insecte.org/galerie/image/dos344/big/hae_ital.jpg
Benoît Lecaplain : France : Lassy : 35580 : 30/07/2018
Altitude : NR - Taille : 11 mm
Réf. : 344688

We have a little constriction (clearly visible) on first antennal segment. Femora light brown. In a moor.
Thanks for your help,
Benoît
Edited by BLecaplain on 11-09-2024 12:27
 
BLecaplain
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Posted on 09-09-2024 21:07
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Comparaison between italica (left) and this Haematopota. First antennal segment is more brown.
But this tabanid was in alcohol since 4 years. Maybe coloration is not a good criteria ?
Edited by BLecaplain on 11-09-2024 12:55
 
BLecaplain
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Posted on 11-09-2024 12:57
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more parallel too and slighty longer
BLecaplain attached the following image:


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Edited by BLecaplain on 11-09-2024 12:58
 
BLecaplain
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Posted on 11-09-2024 13:03
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pandazisi = rotundata ? Maybe a strict southern repartition ?
Mentionned by Séguy in 1926 in north western France (named variegata)
https://academic.oup.com/jme/article-abstract/7/5/543/2222086?redirectedFrom=fulltext
"The result of the last mentioned record is that the common South European species of Haematopota known as variegata F. must be named pandazisi Krob., 1936."
 
Zeegers
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Posted on 17-09-2024 08:10
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As you mention, alkohol tends to revive the colouration. Grey will not turn easily red, but slightly red might turn very red .... beware of this.
Secondly, italica is very variable in colouration. Your statement that first antennal segment is not red in italica is generally but not necessary always true.
Finally, when I look at these pics, it seems to me that there is an indication of a sublateral spot on second tergite. If so, this would confirm my gut feeling, namely that this is the female of H. grandis.


Theo
 
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