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 unknown fly -> Helina sp.
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| javig |
Posted on 16-02-2008 22:17
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 Member Location: Spain Posts: 222 Joined: 21.04.07 |
Granada, Southern Spain, 1500 m. 16 February 2008   Thanks! Edited by javig on 17-02-2008 00:47 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-02-2008 22:29
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Muscidae.. |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 16-02-2008 22:45
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
It's a female Helina. Could be Helina reversio, but impossible to be sure. Regards. Stephane. |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 16-02-2008 23:02
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Hmm, I see an ad on mid tibia, so not Helina reversio. Helina sp.
Stephane. |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 16-02-2008 23:02
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 Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
I am a beginner....but I thought is was a Coenosia tigrina ? Where am I wrong in my thoughts ?? Greatings Joke |
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| javig |
Posted on 16-02-2008 23:08
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Member Location: Spain Posts: 222 Joined: 21.04.07 |
I think Coenosia are small, this is a bit larger than Musca domestica... Stephane, I have more photos... what characters are important? thanks! |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 16-02-2008 23:16
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Joke, Coenosia have 1 dorsocentral before suture, 3 beyond (1+3dc). Here, 2+4. Coenosia don't have prealar setae. Here there is one. Coenosia have 3 katepisternal (=sternopleural) setae arranged in equilateral triangle. Here, not the case. ...Coenosia have only 1 orbital bristle, here two... Javig, only a collected specimen could give a definite ID with this genus. Stephane. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-02-2008 23:18
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Not Coenosia. prealar seta is absent in ALMOST ALL Coenosinae..  and this fly has prealar seta. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-02-2008 23:19
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9295 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Stephane Lebrun wrote: Joke, Coenosia have 1 dorsocentral before suture, 3 beyond (1+3dc). Here, 2+4. Coenosia don't have prealar setae. Here there is one. Coenosia have 3 katepisternal (=sternopleural) setae arranged in equilateral triangle. Here, not the case. ...Coenosia have only 1 orbital bristle, here two... Javig, only a collected specimen could give a definite ID with this genus. and Joke... see the overview section for these terms.  |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 16-02-2008 23:29
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Luckely it is Sunday tomorrow, so I can translate everythin tomorrow in Dutch hole day.... Thanks and I wil study it !!!! Joke |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 18-02-2008 09:51
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9356 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Stephane, I think that Helina reversio has ad on mid tibia. Why do you think it hasn't?
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 18-02-2008 11:09
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
In d'Asis Fonseca key, couplet 39, page 51: ...Middle tibia without an anterodorsal bristle...duplicata Unless duplicata is not the old name for reversio in this book ? Stephane. |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 18-02-2008 16:16
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9356 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Yes, Anthomyia duplicata (Meig.) = Helina duplicata = Helina reversio (Harris). And indeed, very variable species 
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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